The highest

[newwave]

Youth unemployment ever, the previous record was when the Tories were last in power.

Unemployment since the last time the Tories were in power.

Add to that:

Rising hospital waiting lists due to Tory cutbacks.

Child poverty (predicted to increase by 400,000 due to Tory policies).

Rising homelessness and rough sleeping.

Fares and utility prices rising way in front of wages (unless your a banker or director of major company)

Out of control inflation and wages not keeping up.

Still the bankers are still getting their bonuses so not all bad.

Same old Tory filth, help the rich and screw everyone else but mostly screw the poor and needy.

"We?d have done a Greece"

No we would not, our debt was far longer maturing, stop listening to Tory bullshit.

"So, in the absence of the main three parties, I'm still interested in where your voting allegiance is switching".

CES as you are aware no party meets with everything you want so voting is a compromise, if Milliband is the real deal and has broken from the Barites? and New Labour experiment then I will vote Labour however if this coalition falls apart and the LD's ditch the Orange Bookers then I may revise that option.

"newwave says she's never voted Tory but, actually, she has by voting lib dem last time! That's why she's so worked up". You have that right and I never saw it coming or at least I never expected the LD's to turn over and capitulate to the Tory scum right wing manifesto. The concessions to the LD?s are so much window dressing.

"Newwave, do you have a little bag of counters with random phrases and words on them that you shake out occasionally to make a new post?"

No, do you ever have an intelligent thought? I suspect the answer to that is no as well.

Please enlighten me as to where the OP is incorrect.

I know that no single party can represent one person's views entirely. I was just curious as to what it was specifically about the LD pledges that appealed to you last year.

Is there a reason that's escaped me why neither niceguy nor cogito seem able to answer any of the points raised in the OP?

I have no interest whatsoever in what appealed to some random person on the internet about the Lib Dems last year. I am, however, extremely interested, nay concerned, that the Tories are fucking over our country quite so quickly.

So could we please STICK TO THE BLOODY POINT.

you can't defend it, that is why it is being ignored.

they will blsme the last government next when thread after thread Ttosca has explained why its the argument is economically flawed - y'know unless labour ruled the world.

glasnost seems a bit rude

but thats seems the order of the day

The POINT is that newwave just wants a 'all tories are scum' wank-fest with like-minded individuals nodding in agreement. They titled the thread 'highest' (?) followed up with a bunch of statements, not a question in sight.

I know that no single party can represent one person's views entirely. I was just curious as to what it was specifically about the LD pledges that appealed to you last year.

No increase in VAT.
No increase in or even removal of student fees
Debt repayment other two (or more) parliaments
Slower defict reduction
The raising of the lower tax threshold to 10K.
Keeping child benefit for all
Clamping down on the bloody bankers and making those who caused the crash pay for it.
Not screwing around with the NHS

The POINT is that newwave just wants an 'all Tories are scum' wank-fest with like-minded individuals nodding in agreement. They titled the thread 'highest' (?) followed up with a bunch of statements, not a question in sight.

Quite right, it wasn?t a question just a bunch of undeniable facts.

Louse Mench made quite a revealing statement when she said "I want to be seen as a different type of Tory and to show we are not all nasty people"

The "not all" seems to me to show she thinks a lot of them are "nasty people". I don?t suppose call me Dave was enamoured by that comment but at least she is honest about her erstwhile fellow MP's

Stop picking nits, cogito.

Refute the ppoints then.

Oh look, you can't.

You could just throw some insults and hope no-one notices...

Louse Mench must have been referencing back to Theresa May's famous speech at a conference in 2002 when she used the phrase 'the nasty party'. Nothing new under the sun.

This is new and was in the Obsever or Guardian magazine 2/3 weeks ago. She was relating how she did not want to be a cabinet minister and made the statement that she did not want to be seen as one of the nasty Tories.

Nothing to do with May.

CES

Please deny that this Tory lead government is presiding over record youth unemployment and the highest unemployment since they were last in power.

No-one's asking for points to be refuted. Unemployment is higher etc. Don't think that's debatable. Newwave admits they don't want a diiscussion. So it's a bit of breath-wasting exercise to suggest that if Labour had won last May the picture probably wouldn't be all that different... but there you go. In an attempt at turning a one-sided monologue into a conversation, therefore, I thought I'd ask who they were going to vote for instead and whether they thought the LD manifesto would have altered events of the last 12 months.

You see, I think that the LD's didn't so much 'cave' as get a horrible shock when they got their feet under the cabinet table at what a mess everything was in. It would have been far easier for the LD to set themselves up as the heroes of the people, refuse to support any cost-cutting measures etc, and clean up in the popularity stakes. But they didn't. And when politicians faced with a choice of being popular or unpopular deliberately take a path so unpopular that they risk losing every vote they ever had, you have to ask what's changed.

Newwave admits they don't want a discussion.

Where have I said that? And who are "they"

The LD's with their feet under the table are mostly Orange Bookers (a close cousin of the Tories) my biggest disappointment is Cable; this was about power not the so called mess they supposedly found.

Sorry... getting my pronouns mixed up attempting to answer an earlier message and x-posting with yours at the same time newwave. :) Oh and Cable never really struck me as power-crazed.

But our taxes fund a bureaucracy and NHS managers which is waste

We do need some bureaucracy and NHS managers.

the problem in Greece is that they had always avoided to pay their taxes... hmm...

Sounds like an egalitarian society unlike here where only the rich, the mulinationals and bankers avoid paying taxes and the rest of us have to stump up to make up the shortfall caused by tax avoiding scum like Gideon, Dave, Ed and Dave M and other trust fund filth.

The future's Green. Otherwise, there is no left wing. :(

Cable never really struck me as power-crazed.

I agree, I did however think he had a backbone and was a principled man. Shame I was so wrong, Gideon has walked all over him.