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French bank breaks ranks on Robin Hood Tax

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ttosca · 10/05/2011 21:05

The French bank Crédit Coopératif has broken ranks and agreed to pay a levy on its currency transactions even before the tax is introduced in France. In a boost to the campaign to get countries to sign up to financial transaction taxes through the Eurozone or the G20, the bank will pay 0.01% on currency transactions after 1 March 2011 ? the details are set out in English here.

Crédit Coopératif has pledged not to pass the cost on to consumers, even though it is at twice the 0.005% rate that the TUC has called for on currency transactions (margins on such transactions are lower than for shares and other financial transactions). The bank is, as its name suggests, owned by its members, and has a history of support for progressive causes. It has equity of ?1.28 billion (which is, obviously, quite small, for a bank).

Here?s what I said on behalf of the Robin Hood Tax campaign:

Crédit Coopératif?s action disproves critics? claims that a Robin Hood Tax is hard to implement and shows what we could achieve if the rest of the financial sector were asked to show such generosity. Excuses for not asking banks to pay their fair share to society are wearing thinner by the day.

www.touchstoneblog.org.uk/2011/05/french-bank-breaks-ranks-on-robin-hood-tax/

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jackstarb · 10/05/2011 21:40

www.touchstoneblog.org.uk/2011/05/french-bank-breaks-ranks-on-robin-hood-tax/

TICK THE BOX - please!

ttosca · 10/05/2011 23:29

I did tick the box - I have no idea why it's not working for me.

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jackstarb · 11/05/2011 00:07

If you preview message first you can see if the link is working. That's what I do, anyway.

WinkyWinkola · 11/05/2011 00:08

Amazing news.

Chil1234 · 11/05/2011 06:53

I think it'll find it's in a minority of one....

jackstarb · 11/05/2011 15:05

I'm going to be a tad more positive than Chil.

It's an interesting test of the tax. If it doesn't work in a small, French, customer owned, progressive bank - it isn't feasible anywhere. But if it does succeed and draws in customers and generates good PR - who knows?

Bonne chance - Crédit Coopératif!

Chil1234 · 11/05/2011 17:33

I think the optimism is misplaced. Customers want free banking, which is already under threat & a better return on their money than the pathetic rates currently offered. Banks are under pressure to cut costs rather than add new ones. Ethical bank accounts might be good PR but are not a soaraway success to date. Those that trade on an ethical ticket (like the Coop) often fall down elsewhere.

jackstarb · 11/05/2011 18:34

Chil - If it works £billions (apparently) will eventually be raised for a (surprisingly) wide range if good causes. If it fails, then Bill Nighy, Richard Curtis and assorted other 'born again numerate' luvvies will stop banging on about it.Grin.

WinkyWinkola · 11/05/2011 19:39

Where do ethical banks like the cooperative bank fall down elsewhere, Chili?

And I don't think customers get free banking, now do they? Don't the banks have all sorts of charges for elements of their service?

claig · 11/05/2011 20:49

Who will get the money and what will they spend it on? Will it be political? Is it central planning?

CoteDAzur · 11/05/2011 20:52

If bank's cost per transaction increases, this will undoubtably be passed on to the customer.

CoteDAzur · 11/05/2011 20:53

banks'. Stupid auto-correct.

claig · 11/05/2011 21:02

Are Bill Nighy and Richard Curtis lefties? Are there any high profile right wingers backing it, or is it just supported by the left?

claig · 11/05/2011 21:07

Where will the money go and what salaries will the arbiters of where it goes to receive? Will some be spent om promoting the message of catastrophic climate change and other good causes? Will lefties be in charge of where the money is spent?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1314543/Bonos-ONE-foundation-giving-tiny-percentage-funds-charity.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1264596/Just-25p-pound-taken-London-Marathon-organisers-paid-charity.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1264596/Just-25p-pound-taken-London-Marathon-organisers-paid-charity.html

claig · 11/05/2011 21:09

Sorry, last article was so good, they linked it twice.
Should have been

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-536909/Harry-bitterly-disappointed-1m-charity-gives-Aids-orphans-just-84-0000.html

WinkyWinkola · 11/05/2011 21:11

I don't know if they are lefties, Claig. Does it matter? Surely a proposal can be judged on its own merits?

claig · 11/05/2011 21:15

If it is such a good idea, then I would expect some right wingers to back it too. I don't know if any do. I am just wondering. A lot of charities and ideas sound good on paper, but sometimes much of the money is not used for its intended purpose. It is possible that some may be used for different political purposes.

jackstarb · 11/05/2011 21:29

This is useful for anyone interested in more detail of the Crédit Coopératif scheme:

www.credit-cooperatif.coop/fileadmin/doc/PARTIE_GROUPE/20110428_FAQ_externe_-_English_version.pdf

As far as I can see they hope to raise about 100k Euro's PA for an international charity. They are only paying the 'tax' on foriegn exchange transactions.

jackstarb · 11/05/2011 21:41

claig - there are some right of centre supporters of the Robin Hood Tax.

According to their link supporters include:

"President Sarkozy of France, Chancellor Merkel of Germany, Prime Minister Zapatero of Spain, ....FSA Chairman Lord Turner, financier George Soros, .....Warren Buffet. & Nobel Prize winners Joseph Stiglitz and Paul Krugman, and Earth Institute Director Jeffrey Sachs"

dittany · 11/05/2011 21:42

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duckypoo · 11/05/2011 21:49

Blimey can we not have the mad lefties/righties stance on at least one fricking politics thread. The usual suspects have killed the politics section of Mn, hardly anyone interesting bothers to respond anymore. If certain people are not employed by certain political parties I will eat a fucking shop full of hats.

I used to love reading the debates on Politics on mn, more informed people than me, debating well, random people joining in. Now every kind of debate is shut down by certain forceful posters, it sucks

HHLimbo · 11/05/2011 22:02

Well done. More of this please!

They are not the only bank. IIRC, banks in the nordic countries (norway?) are also contributing more to their societies after all the trouble caused and being bailed out. 's only fair!

CoteDAzur · 11/05/2011 22:08

It is very naive to assume that this cost will not be passed on to the customer as higher transaction costs, higher commissions, whatever.

claig · 11/05/2011 22:27

duckypoo, no debate is shut down. You can contribute and so can I. That 's freedom, we have different views but can both contribute.

Maybe you know things that I don't and vice versa. Maybe I know that Bill Nighy and Richard Curtis are on the left, and that Zapatero, Soros, Stiglitz, Krugman and Sachs are also on the left. Maybe there is more to this than good causes. Maybe politics is also involved.

jackstarb · 11/05/2011 22:27

Don't know about typical lefty / righty stance - I seem to be batting for the left on this thread Grin....

cote - in this specific case I don't think they will pass on the cost to customers. Crédit Coopératif is a small bank who have to charge 'market prices' for their transactions. The 100k Euro's will come from the bank's profit - but it's a progressive, ethical type bank so I doubt the shareholders will withdraw funds.

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