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Who are you going to vote for in the Scottish elections? (Long)

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Mellowfruitfulness · 12/04/2011 19:53

After Alex Salmond came on Mumsnet, I asked a sort of compilation of similar questions (that are important to me) to my local Labour and Lib Dem councillors. They gave me permission to write their answers here.

My problem is that while I agree with a lot of what they both promise, my faith in politicians has been so fundamentally shaken that I just don't know who to believe ... However, they took the time to answer my questions - and I had lots - so the least I can do is post them here, I suppose. I hope this is allowed - I'm not a member of either party. I'm just very unsure who to vote for, and thought this might help anyone else in my position.

I might even choose the Greens, who I voted for last time. They haven't made any promises so they can't break them, but at least their policies are likely to be right for the planet. And I think they are probably less in thrall to vested interests.

I didn't bother with the Tories. Who votes Tory in Scotland? Smile

This from the Lib Dems:

'... Raising the income tax threshold to £10,000 was a central plank of our Westminster manifesto and will take 90,000 of the lowest paid Scots out of paying income tax altogether. Restoring the pensions link with earnings, ... , will benefit one million Scottish pensioners. Scrapping ID cards, ending the detention of children at Dungavel, setting up a Green Investment Bank with £1 billion of upfront funding for green infrastructure, introducing progressive measures on parental leave, reaching a fair deal for Equitable Life policy holders, reforming capital gains tax and cracking down on tax avoidance ? the list goes on, and these are just the proposals that affect Scotland. And, of course, we are pressing ahead with the Scotland Bill to bring more powers to the Scottish Parliament.

On Local Income Tax

The introduction of a local income tax is long-standing Liberal Democrat policy. I was extremely disappointed when the current SNP Government dropped its manifesto commitment to introduce a local income tax before even bringing proposals to Parliament. I believe it is deeply unfair that the poorest people pay six times as much of their income as the richest in council tax, and a fairer solution must be found. We will be publishing our proposals in our forthcoming manifesto.

On University Education

There has been a separate system of funding higher education in Scotland for over a decade now. I am proud that we have abolished university tuition fees in Scotland in 2000 and we remain implacably opposed to their reintroduction. It is crucial that we come up with a funding solution that is in all of Scotland?s interests and we are now working constructively with the Scottish Government, opposition parties, students and Universities Scotland to fund a sustainable funding solution for Scotland?s HE sector that allows us to continue to invest in students and universities. Most importantly, we have to keep Scottish universities competitive and widen access to the poorest young people. Going to university must be decided on the ability to learn, not the ability to pay and we do not support the re-introduction of tuition fees in Scotland. I will continue to stand up for Scottish students.

On Transport

Clearly a well-organised transport network that moves goods and people around the country efficiently is central to securing our economic growth ambitions. Sustainable transport investment will also help us meet our climate change responsibilities and improve the wellbeing and social inclusion of individuals and communities. Improving the accessibility, affordability and reliability of public transport is key to these objectives. We want to restore the levels of investment in public transport that have dropped under the current government, including increasing the budget for active travel like cycling. We need to make it easier for people to choose greener alternatives to the car.

On Libraries

Libraries are undoubtedly of great value and they deserve protection. The overall decline in their use shows that they must remain relevant to the needs of the community. I?d like to see libraries find ways to attract more users and maximise the benefits of the services they provide, so that people can continue to use and enjoy them in different ways at different times in their lives. Funding for library services is ultimately a matter for local authorities, but we want to give communities more control and influence over how budgets are spent in their areas. This could mean, for example, that a community chooses increased investment in their local library.

On Privatisation

The models and delivery of public services are very different north and south of the border and we do not support reforms to Scottish services of the type currently underway in England and Wales. Our priorities are to give greater power and accountability to head teachers so they can spend more time teaching children and not answering the phone to the government, to cut crime by keeping policing local and to cut excessively high pay and bonuses in the public sector so we can help protect frontline jobs and improve standards. Unlike the other parties, who plan to centralise public services, we remain committed to finding local solutions for local people. We reject a one-size-fits-all approach for Scotland.

On the Selling off of the Forests

My party campaigned strongly against the government?s plans to sell off Scotland?s forests and we are committed to retaining Scotland?s forests in public ownership. Green belt designation under the Scottish Planning Policy is designed to prevent unsuitable developments. In my constituency, the policies governing the operation of the Edinburgh Green Belt make it clear that one of the objectives is to ?maintain a continuous Green Belt around the City?. We need to ensure that planning regulations are being implemented effectively to protect and enhance the quality, character, landscape and identity of towns and cities. It is vital that local communities are involved at every stage of the planning process'.

This from Labour:

'The Labour Party manifesto is currently in the process of being produced and will be published in the next few weeks. As such I have answered in a personal capacity.

Council Tax

I think that reforming Council Tax is one of the most difficult issues facing the Scottish Parliament (and local government in Scotland), and I do have real fears over the introduction of a Local Income Tax.

Sir Peter Burt, who reviewed the whole issue of local government taxation in Scotland, suggested that for an LIT to raise the same amount of revenue as the current Council tax it would have to be set at 6.5%, so there is a considerable gap between what would be raised if LIT was set at 3%, as proposed by the SNP. I do feel that LIT pushes a far greater tax burden onto working people, and it will especially penalise middle income families and those young people just starting out, where paying an extra few hundred pounds per month would have a real impact on family life. There is also issues surrounding avoidance, and I fear that many very wealthy people would avoid paying LIT, those who live of share income for instance or those with substantial savings or property wealth

Ultimately, I think that some form of property/land based tax is the best way to collect revenue for local government. I do believe that we can make the Council Tax more progressive through the introduction of more bands.

University Tuition Fees

On university education I do believe that the recent decisions down South will have a real impact on Scottish Universities. Clearly given that the UK Government have vastly reduced the funding to universities in England this will mean that there will be a consequential fall in the funding provided to the Scottish Government. That does pose a significant problem for the Scottish Government, and a funding gap that will have to be filled. I would in no way wish to follow the Tory/Liberal tuition fees policy, as I believe that fees of up to £9000 will greatly restrict access to the best universities and act as a real deterrent to students from poorer backgrounds. We do need to find a Scottish solution to this problem, which will ensure that our universities are adequately funded while not passing an undue burden onto students, and it is disappointing that the SNP Government failed to commission a Scottish Higher Education Review to run parallel to that of Browne.

Transport

On road and transport we again face a real challenge. The UK does lag behind the rest of Europe in terms of public transport provision, and as the recent report from Audit Scotland shows we have a massive roads maintenance backlog . I do believe that we should be investing more in public transport and not simply building more roads. I have always been a supporter of the concept of trams in Edinburgh, and while I have real concerns over how this project has been managed over the last few years, I do believe that we should be aspiring to the kind of public transport systems that are seen as normal in many major European cities. I also am greatly concerned that that the SNP Scottish Government cancelled both the Edinburgh and Glasgow Airport Rail Links, and seems to prioritise roads ahead of public transport. Also the SNP recently reduced funding for a scheme to encourage rail freight which has taken some 33 million lorry miles off Scotland's roads since 1997, another backwards step.

Libraries

I am a great supporter of local libraries. I am disappointed that Edinburgh Council cut the library budget by some £600,000 recently and do fear that this could impact on opening hours and the level of service provided. The services available in my own local libraries in Morningside and Fountainbrige are excellent, and they are extremely popular, but we should be extending opening hours not cutting them back.

Privatisation

I do have great fears over the Council's plans for Alternative Business Models, and feel that this could lead to a great deal less local accountability. The Lib Dem/SNP Council Administration are currently spending millions of pounds preparing for many Council services to go out to tender. The Council's Labour Group have consistently asked of far greater scrutiny of this process, and for in-house solutions to be fully considered. You can find more info on this at www.unison-edinburgh.org.uk/citynotforsale/

Selling off forests

I am glad that the Tory/Lib Dem Government have now dropped their proposal to sell off the forests in England and Wales, and feel that this is a victory for very many local campaigners. In Scotland the SNP Government did previously plan to sell off 25% of Scotland's forests and the reaction to that sell off in 2009 was very similar. Our forests are to important to be sold off to the highest bidder and I'm please that both the Tory/Lib Dem UK Government, and the SNP Scottish Government have not followed through on their proposals'.

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TheCrackFox · 12/04/2011 20:02

TBH I think all them are a bunch of twats....but.....I strongly believe that I must use my vote. I will be voting for whoever has annoyed me the least. Tricky, very tricky.

AgentProvocateur · 12/04/2011 20:23

I thnk I'll be voting for SNP for the first time. I like what AS has done, and I think Labour's style is oppositional and combative. I've no idea what they would do - I only know what they think of the SNP. I don't think Ian Grey has what it takes to be a First Minister in terms of presentation, personality and gravitas. I don't think much if the current labour MSPs either.

Still undecided about my list MSP. Either Green or George Galloway.

Interesting thread - it's unfortunate that the AV vote is the same day. I think our election will be ignored by the UK press

Mellowfruitfulness · 12/04/2011 20:41

I have wondered about supporting the SNP, but Nicola Sturgeon put me off in the first speech she made for this election campaign. The third thing she mentioned (I think) was independence. There are valid reasons for Scotland splitting from the rest of the UK but it's the underlying nationalistic philosophy which is something I just can't stomach. Nationalism is so dangerous, so destructive, so xenophobic, so mean-spirited and so short-sighted, imo.

Although I can't trust AS himself, at least the SNP are untainted as far as the Westminster parties are concerned, and I agree that the Scottish government as a whole have done some great things for Scotland.

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AgentProvocateur · 13/04/2011 17:32

I actually like Annabel Goldie and think she would be a good FM, although I'd never vote for the Tories.

Mellowfruitfulness · 13/04/2011 19:56

I quite like her too, AP. She seems to have a sense of humour at least.

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PricklyThistle · 14/04/2011 00:09

Mellow - I am biased as I am an SNP supporter, and have never hidden that. I have to say in response to your comment about the dangers of nationalism, that in terms of ethnic nationalism you are right. However the SNP does not belong to this thread of nationalism. It believes that it doesn't matter where you're from, it's where we're going that's important. We don't think that we are better than anyone else, we just want the normal powers of a country to make decisions for ourselves.
If you think that the last SNP government has done a great job, then I would urge you to give them another go. The thought of Iain Gray as FM (and that is the only realistic alternative) is one that really does make me fear for the future of Scotland.
Please remember too everyone that you can cast the same vote for your constituency MSP and your list members - i.e. your list vote is NOT your 2nd choice.

Mellowfruitfulness · 14/04/2011 09:38

PT, I haven't been paying attention to the election information and I'm not sure I understand what a list member is ... Are we voting for an MSP and also who we want for FM? Sorry to be stupid ...

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AgentProvocateur · 14/04/2011 15:01

No, we're voting for an MSP to represent our small constituency, and then another 7 (although we only vote for 1) to represent our "area", eg Central Scotland. We are all represented by 8 MSPs.

This was how smaller parties, like the SSP and the Greens got a decent number of MSPs into Holyrood in the past, and makes our Scottish Parliament mire representative and less of a two-horse race.

yama · 14/04/2011 15:04

My local MSP is Tory actually. He knocked on my door yesterday.

I will be voting SNP.

Mellowfruitfulness · 14/04/2011 16:07

Thanks, AP.

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paddypoopants · 14/04/2011 16:34

I'll be voting Labour for my constituency MSP as the candidate is particularly good, which is lucky as I usually vote Lib Dem and I'm not likely to do that again unless hell has frozen over and I haven't heard about it. We have a National Front candidate standing. Nice.

And I think my regional vote will go to Margo MacDonald.

expatinscotland · 14/04/2011 16:39

DH and I are voting SNP. And no to AV.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 14/04/2011 16:47

We'll be voting SNP both times here.

Couldn't bring myself to vote Conservative, although I do like Ms Goldie. Not after what Thatcher did to this area, which still has consequences all these years later (and was in no way ameliorated by NuLab.)

Couldn't bring myself to vote Labour after they've spent the last few years being deliberately obstructive purely for the sake of it (different policies re minimum drink pricing north and south of the border, for example; supporting it in Westminster because It's A Good Thing, obstructing it here because It Was An SNP Idea.) And because of Tony, and the general metropolitan influence under him. And just, well, because.

Might have considered LibDems if not for the coaltion cuts.

Might still consider Green, though I'd worry about taking away an SNP vote in what will be a tight outcome.

Would definitely vote for Margo, if only I were able to!

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 14/04/2011 16:48

Though I'd also vote for George Galloway if I could, I reckon he'd add a bit of flair to Parliament. Grin

CrystalQueen · 14/04/2011 17:01

I already have already had to explain to two people at work that there's an election on here, and that the voting system is different to Westminster. Election publicity clearly not working here.

I used to vote LibDem but after the coalition fiasco I doubt I'll be doing that this time. I find it hard to separate WM politics from the Scottish parliament. I don't like Alec Salmond and I don't agree with independence, so I could never vote SNP because even if I liked their other policies. Tory, no way (although like everyone else, I like AG!). So - Labour?

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 14/04/2011 17:04

I'm not over-motivated or bothered by the independence thing; I think the issue is unlikely to be raised within the lifetime of the next Parliament with so much else to sort out.

Albrecht · 14/04/2011 17:06

We just moved back here and really not sure. We are in a very safe Lib Dem seat but I'm fecked if I'm voting for them (Yes, Nick Clegg it is YOUR fault).

Don't even have a Green here, which is my preference, they may be a bit anti science but have some good social policies. Might vote SNP as the least evil.

If LDs get a mighty kicking I think the media will pick up on it.

WMDinthekitchen · 14/04/2011 17:30

Like paddypoo I will give my list vote to Margo MacDonald, the independent candidate for Lothians. With a likely evenly-balanced parliament once again, the whipping system and no second chamber will mean that independents can provide a force to galvanise the process. Margo talks sense, is down to earth and doesn't bullsh*t. She is also convinced the parliament should seek re-negotiation of PPP/PFI contracts that are, for example, costing local council education departments & the NHS fortunes for the running of schools and hospitals.

prettybird · 14/04/2011 21:00

I used to be a staunch Labour supporter, brought up in a family with sound socialist principles ( despite because my dad was a doctor and my mum was a teahcer and they believed in public services), was anti-Nationalist and only ever voted LibDem (when I lived in England) as a tactical vote. I was devastated when John Smith died and happy when Labour won the 1997 election.

How times change.

I will never vote Labour again. Their arrogance and hubris both with the economy (I believe in Keynesian economics - I only wish they had followed it properly and invested in the good times rather than spent profilagately) and taking us into an illegal war makes me so Angry

Labour's two facedness and negativity in the Scottish Parliament is a disgrace: opposing things purely because the SNP suggested it and supporting the same things in Westminster, opposing budget cuts but not suggesting alternatives.....the list goes on :(

Interestingly, I had turned long before my parents did: we were door-stepped by Nicola Sturgeon when she nearly won the Govan seat against Sarwar (the votes for cash controversy Hmm) - and she was prepared to engage with dh - no mean feat Wink. I thought my mum and dad were so blinkered diehard that they would only ever consider voting Labour. However, the Iraq War changed things - that and the general arrogance that emanated from both Westminster and Holyrood (prior to the last Scottish election).

Now my dad can't sing Alex Salmond's praises highly enough. He's impressed by the way that he tears into little pieces deals with English-centric interviewers who just don't "get" that we have different structures and legal system up here.

Thirty two years ago I would have voted against devloution (it was a few weeks before my 18th birthday so I couldn't vote). Now I would vote for full independence, having seen the way that the windfall of North Sea oil has been squandered by Westminster, in contrast to the Oil Fund set up by Norway to benefit future generations .

Albrecht · 14/04/2011 21:11

Sorry also meant to say didn't read the full OP as I don't trust anything they say before they get elected now. They could promise us each a moon on a stick for all I care.

PricklyThistle · 14/04/2011 21:51

Albrecht, I honestly don't know if there's going to be safe Lib dem seat this time! Maybe Orkney and Shetland, but not sure where else. There have been boundary changes since the last election, combined with what's going on with ConDems....
I was looking on the STV website and it had a poll of polls which shows Labour marginally ahead of the SNP on the constituency vote (for your individual MSP) and the SNP further ahead on the list vote (where the seats are divvied up depending on the total number of votes cast for each party). If that happens, the Libs are on course for 5 seats - a massive loss for them.

PricklyThistle · 14/04/2011 21:54

Sorry, by 'if that happens' I mean if the poll figures are correct in how the votes are cast on the day for all the parties.

Albrecht · 14/04/2011 21:55

Prickly, without wishing to out myself as The Most Northerly Mumsnetter.... Grin

PricklyThistle · 14/04/2011 23:59

Albrecht say no more Wink
I'd just vote SNP twice anyway (but I would say that Grin)

Mellowfruitfulness · 19/04/2011 18:32

Scottish Green Party manifesto:

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/apr/19/scottish-green-party-launches-manifesto-tax-rise

Haven't had time to read it properly, but it looks good to me - quite radical tax proposals ...

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