Well it sure aint GPs who are going to be running the NHS

[jamtodaybrighton]

Watch this video and see how the private healthcare firms and lobbyists are ensuring that we get the NHS they want.

Also this Link I posted on another thread.
bit.ly/e4TfdW

Watched the video, very worrying!

This article is a taster of what's to come: "KPMG to aid London GP commissioning groups".

KPMG helped design the consortia idea, have got the contract for helping consortia form, will be tending for the contract to manage the formed consortia. Two senior civil servants managing commissioning have taken up jobs with them.

It's all looking very like defence procurement, which is famously fucked.

This was inevitable and no doubt the Tories will be getting political donations from these companies in the future, not that NL was any better.

Yet another gravy train for the fat cats to climb aboard.

I would love LFN's opion on this :o

They got political donations from them before the election

At the time money was being given to the Tories, the Lib Dems said the payments were a ?staggering conflict of interest?.

But that was before they were in a Tory-led Coalition - now anything goes - including the NHS apparently....

Well indeed. If GPs are going to be responsible for buying services from large corporations then the large corporations are inevitably going to start buying the GPs.

"A detailed analysis of 10 of the first 52 pathfinders has found six have either signed deals or are in talks with private companies. The findings suggest GP commissioning pioneers are ignoring GPC chair Dr Laurence Buckman?s advice, expressed in the BMJ earlier this month, to shun the private sector and employ former PCT managers instead." (Pulse 12th Jan 2011)

The Tories have been very clever, hiding their plans before the election, and now putting everything onto the GPs - and we find it hard to have a go at GPs.

But the fact is that these reforms are not about a lovely cosy relationship between us and our GPs. It is about breaking up the NHS for the advantage of the private sector. Everyone is against it except Lansley.

Even David Owen has appealed to Lib Dem MPs to stop the reforms.

But no-one will unless we make them, because the Tory party has taken money from the private sector, and now it has to deliver...

So how can we make them?

The BMA has at last called a special meeting of its members. Why? Because doctors are being forced into these reforms against their will - that's why

Give it two or three years and USA Medicine Corp or Medideath Ltd will be deciding who has what medical treatment. The doctors will end up as employees of big corporations who will have to ask "head office" for permission for every action they take.

Profits and boardroom bonuses first and the patients can have the crumbs.

The BMA met today: BBC report here.

Well i hope from now on doctors keep their mouth shut on medical issues

All ways the first to moan and say the goverment should listen us we know how to run the nhs so the goverment said ok here you go now it turns out they do want it after all

To be honest they probaly realise the first thing the would need top cut is their wages 100k they dont work weekends or do on calls or open on wedsday after 1 they get paid more than hospital doctors who work shifts and are on call

Gps are a load of spoilt brats who hve rangled them selves a pay rise under roll up get your benafits here labour and stuffed the rest of the nhs
No the goverment want a bit more for their 100k a year they dont want to

They should be slapped with a wet fish and made to give up t least 50k of their wage so we can get the nurses pay up who do the real work

My dear old mum would say becarful what you wish for

The teachers do it as wll

The result of the conference vote was that they are not going to block the bill.... the argument for constructive cooperation fortunately won the day. As long as the service is 'free at the point of need' and is of good or better quality, the details of how that is funded, achieved and organised is surely - same as any other organisation - for the management team in the NHS and Department of Health to work out. If the service is poorer or we are asked to pay for something previously provided free... then we should complain.

At least another 4 years of this shit.

If you think what we had forthe last 10 years were any better you might need your head looked at

Gps never got paid so much for doing so little about time theydid aittle more work

That was the contract changes of 2004? That wasn't something GPs had been lobbying for (though glad to take, amazed at its generosity). It was something the then Govt imposed -IMO without an adequate grasp of either the role of the GP or the cost of the change - an enormous mistake by both Ministers and civil servants! I think it was a particularly bad mistake to change the OOH part of the contract; a big nail in continuity of care. The attempted "fix" in 2009 (?) was not successful.

But the detail of the GPs' current/recent contract Is a side-show compared to the proposals under discussion now.

They may not be going to block, but their reservations in areas of the current proposals are concerning.

Imposed not sure dont recall them making such a big fuss about them no longer having to be on call or getting their pay rise like they are now

To be quite honest they need top tell the truth the nhs dosent run some
Parts well for instance why dose it cost around a fiver 4 a pregnacy test when they sell them in the pound shop for a pack of three.

They wont advertise for more nurses or allow the currant staff to do over time because they dont want to pay them but hire agncey staff for 3x the hourly rate its mad.
But is worse than useless as dosent know where any thing is.

Hospitals who cannot afford support staff but have atr work in the foyer that costs ££££

And just like schools hospitals are diffrering quailtys if its not run well by the nhs, people dont want to go their or your less likey to die by going to a diffrent hospital futher away then let somone else run it or close the bloody thing down

The lefty loonys will have us have hospitals run by the nhs for the sake of it reguadless of the quaitly just like the schools dear god if some can run it better let the, they have had a good bash but enough is enough

Dear old mum says god loves a tryer

The gps seem to think chucking more money at the moster will tame it

It costs no money to use your loaf and realise suppilers are taking the nhs for a mug and they should use their awsome buying power like tesco to drive prices down.

Also costs no money to tell mr smitj hes simply to fat and that he wont be having the ££££££. Gastric opration and he needs to eat less and move more

And britney she cant have the bob job and book her in for some counslling much cheaper to treat the cause

And if they stop signing every one off for bad backs with the dwp their might be more money in the kitty

I just dont understand how labour lovies condone whats been going on for the last 10 years

Im so glad that our taxes, which have previously gone to fund bankers bonuses at loss making banks, are now going to fund bonuses at private companies, paid out of the money we pay for healthcare.

NHS money is for NHS healthcare, not private bonuses!!

NHS money is for healthcare, not private profit!!

NHS money is to benefit the health of UK citizens, not to line the pockets of foreign company owners!!

HHLimbo

Correct in every detail.

And who do you think supplies the NHS at the moment? The Drug Fairy? The NHS is a mostly a colossal exercise in procurement. The pills we pay £7.40 per prescription for from April 1st can either cost the NHS 50p or £50. What they're fairly bad at is getting it down to 50p (the Tesco analogy is spot on... no reason why the NHS should be paying anything like the spot rate for supplies and equipment). I think people are kidding themselves to say that it's only the changes that mean private companies will be earning bonuses off the back of the NHS. They're doing very nicely already.

Exactly - private companies were lining their pockets under Labour. The coalition is trying to introduce some competition in order to end the gravy train that the NHS currently represents for suppliers. As long as there are proper safeguards against cherry-picking, I'm all for that.

Great links, thanks.

I don't have anything against private companies making a profit - but not out of our health, fgs!

And another thing that annoys me is that all this lobbying and shenanigans are so secret and underhand and therefore undemocratic. As people have pointed out, it has been going on for ages, and not just in the health sector - but how can it be legal, when it appears to rely so heavily on manipulation and deceit and dubious practices? If you're doing something honest and above-board, you don't need to be protected by secrecy laws, you shout your intentions to the rooftops.