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SantasMooningArse · 08/12/2010 14:54

many many threads on cuts to HE but virtually no responses from those outside the SN community on the thread about the review of DLA and proposals to cut access to it (target of 20% of people off it)?

I know it's something that doesn'';t affect everyone but heck, it might and many of those who it would affect cannot fight their own corners. And even if you agree with teh suggestions, whilst it is at review stage now is the time to learn how to have your say, no?

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LadyBlaBlah · 08/12/2010 15:01

There is a lot of prejudice against people with SN in our culture. The government should be trying to tackle the prejudice not enhance it further.

numotre · 08/12/2010 15:18

Its because it doesn't affect as many people. People tend to focus on what will affect them or their family.

GiddyPickle · 08/12/2010 15:39

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SantasMooningArse · 08/12/2010 16:36

Am weeping at the length of reply i typed before PC closed down!

OK, well firstly the addy for more info is www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/dla-reform-consultation.pdf

Note the bits about DLA being an out of work benefit- it is not.

At the moment the disabled claimant is entitled to two special benefits on top of teh usual HB etc. ESA (formerly incapacity benifit) covers living costs and has some entitlement to it's slightly dubious rep becuase once upon a time people could refer either on one GP signature or even themselves, leading to fraud. It replaces JSA / IS. This is now assessed as it should be, but by untrained assessors adn a key question is 'can yu pick up a pencil>'- ds3 (severely ASD, 7) could do that but ahs a 2 minute attention span- yet on that basis would absolutely be assessed as able to work; we have a business and love him very much but would not employ him!

DLA covers the costs of disability and is awarded in two aspects- care which has 3 levels, and mobility with 2. to get the much-fabled motability car you have to get the highest in both areas, plus sacrifice cash benefit. It is not emans tested on finances, and is payable alongside work even though the government insists on referring to it as as an out of work benefit (www.mumsnet.com/Talk/politics/1100175-Supporting-disbaled-people-unsustainable see here]]). It is obtained by filling in a form of extraordianry length and complexity and that alone makes it hard for many people to claim- claims need many NHS professional's signatures and reports, and are turned down initially at a very high %, and if the claimant fights they may find it is automatically overturned- ds3 went from refused to high rate (no longer on that level) in one letter.

the new proposals are currenlty about adults and how it affects kids is still ebing debated, however vague suggestions include:

Counting people in wheelchairs as mobile, despite a likelihood of a need for supervision / adapted vehicles

Having one budget from which funds are allocated, so that for eg a choice has to be made between SEN funding or care needs.

Having contracts for mobility vehicles so that if you stop needing one (eg you recover from an illness or disabilty) you have to continue to fund it for the remainder of teh year from your own pocket, thus scaring many people from taking the option.

Counting care's as part of universal credit, thus fully means testing it with the result thatany in a joint earning relationship who have to take on a carer role get nothing to help with mortgage / bills.

There is a stated aim to reduce claims by 20% but no evidence to suggest 20% of claims are fraudulent.

DLA mobility is already being cut for those in residential care; this includes schools so if your child is in a residental school 32 weeks a year Monday - Friday and needs an adapted vehicle to come home you won't be able to bring them home. Quite possibly, ever. And exepcting private care homes to fund mobility as it is suggested is almost laughable in a competitive sector.
At the same time, services such as day centres are being closed off making working far less of an option for carers.

high rate care equates to care needs day and night. if you get high or middle rate care you can have a carer paid for at a total of £53.60 a week; the carer must not work over IIRC 20 hours or earn mroe than a hundred pounds a week, but their aprtner's income is not taken into account as it is considered a payment for services rendered. It is not and entry level benfit to anything else- no automatic entitlement to housing, free glasses tests etc unless other benefits qualified for; if you get income support you get an extra carer's payment which I think is under £20 a week but lose carer's allowance.

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huddspur · 08/12/2010 20:15

I think numotre is right people focus on and make the loudest noises about things that affect them. Also disabled people and their families often struggle to be heard at the best of times and they're are more vociferous sections of society that are drowning out any response.
Add to this there is a lot more politics in the tuition fee rise with the Liberals pledges and Labours internal confusion on what to do then its going to attract more attention.

newwave · 08/12/2010 22:34

To be quite honest I dont have enough specific information to have an opinion and in truth the various needs groups tend to get swept into a vast pot of differing information.

For me the bottom line is (as always) the Tories are going to shit over the poor, disabled, needy, unemployed and vulnerable to a smaller or larger degree.

My sons are/were uni students so I have a smattering of knowledge but the other groups are less "sexy" and dont get the coverage.

SantasMooningArse · 09/12/2010 10:17

Trouble all those opinions may have truth but also do dismiss the idea of anyone helping those that cannot fight stick up for themselves.

Do we just allow the disabled to suffer then? because they are (ATM) not us? perhaps in a few eyars look the other way when more people with MH and asd are on the streets? When some study buried in the guardian shows how many people with an SN died from lack of heating and food this year?

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byrel · 09/12/2010 12:10

I know it doesn't make it right but its the way that people think. There's also been precious little talk on the impact of the cuts in spending in defence. Why because it doesn't affect that many people directly

Kaloki · 10/12/2010 21:12

Because those with disabilities can't take to the streets to protest. And because everyone seems to know a friend of a friend's uncle's sister who is claiming ESA and/or DLA fraudulently. Therefore everyone else must by lying too - which absolves everyone else of any responsibilty. The "disabled" brought it on themselves of course, not helped by this govts insistence on talking about DLA as if it was ESA, and when benefits are mentioned, hinting about "scroungers".

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