Tories threaten to revolt over Europe.

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More than two dozen Tory MPs have signed a protest motion and up to 50 could vote against the Government during Wednesday asking MPs to approve the treaty amendments which give the EU the ability to oversee the budget of member states.

In response to his approval;
Cameron will unveil new laws ensuring that any future transfer of power to Brussels is subject to a referndum.

Philip Davies , Tory MP for Shipley says "this is spitting in the wind" (does he mean pissing in the wind!) It is is the ultimate in shutting the door after the horse has bolted".

Clegg says "we are not going to reopen the doors this issue of repatriation of powers".

I never did like Clegg he's piss poor and weak on Europe, and does not have our interests at heart.

I used to favour Cameron but he is also weak on Europe and seems to roll over whenever Brussels wishes.

What do others think?
Above taken from Sunday Telegraph today.

Cameron has been so weak on matters European. A disappointment.

The boldness of the reform at home is astonishing. That makes the timidity abroad all the more surprising.

I don't think the EU budget is the biggest priority at the moment, sadly. That can be waved through, grudgingly.

However, the new EU treaty cannot be. It HAS to go to a referendum so the British people can tell the Eurocrats what they truly think.

The same goes with the European Court of Human Rights. If we just said no to them, we will not give prisoners the right to vote, we will deport Abu Hamza, etc - how exactly do they plan to enforce their fines?

Sadly longfingernails I fear we will be waving goodbye to dear old Dave in the future if he does not pull his fingers out over the EU.

As you say he can be bold at home with his reforms but seems timid in his response to the EU.

IMO having met him, I feel he's poor in response to the EU as I think he's afraid of being thought of as a little Englander or any other term people try to use to shut people up on Brussels/EU.

I hope this referendum is soon, so as you say the people can have their say, sadly lacking at the moment.

If the UK gov't refuses to pay the fines, perhaps they'll throw us out of the EU?

Why does the EU care about the UK budget if we are not using the Euro?

Tabitha8. There must be a reason for us being involved by the EU in this budget. I must google it and find out.

WE can leave the EU at any time. We have to pay fines although, over a two year period, if we do this.

It's very important we are not giving any more money the EU than we do (we give 45 million every day). It's incredible that Cameron accepts budget increases from the EU, rolls over like a dead budgie, and then springs back to life as a wolf who then uses a large axe on us financially at home. .

The thing is, although we need the EU's markets, they need us too. We are one of the biggest economies and contributors to the EU.

We are the only significant military power in the EU except France. We make access to America easier for other EU countries. We have a Security Council seat. We have expertise in business, finance, law, service industries, technology and research in a way that few other countries in the EU do, if any. We are the only EU country with the English language - still the lingua franca of the business world. We bring an awful lot to the European table.

They might be able to throw Greece or Ireland out, but not Britain, France or Germany. France and Germany exploit this, ignoring and overruling the EU and ECHR whenever they find it convenient. Britain should start doing the same.

'We are the only significant military power in the EU except France' What really matters is NATO, not the EU in the Defence context.

Cameron's problem is that he has to placate Clegg who is pro EU (with his nice EU pension) and anti any repatriation of powers. That's the price of coalition sadly.

Margaret Thatcher did so much to get rid of red tape and make Britain enterprise friendly.

The EU has just spewn out reams and reams of legislation. One of the very worst things about the EU is that it makes the British economy less competitive.

The only worse thing about the EU, ECHR and other non-accountable institutions is the utter loss of sovereignty. We can't deport terrorists, make our own decisions about whether prisoners should vote, and all sorts of other matters.

To a certain extent it is our own fault as we actually play the game and go by the EU laws. Belgium for instance doesn't, and always puts it's own bank balance national interest first, which in some cases breaks EU law and goes against some established international conventions.

Exactly. High time we told van Rompuy, Barnier and Ashton to just bog off.

Longfingernails. High time they kicked us out! ..............hopefully.

Scaryteacher. If Belgium breaks EU law, why can't we? Why do we 'play the game' what the shite is wrong with this country? Going out now if you reply.

So, do the other countries get fined? Do they pay those fines?

We 'play the game' because it's what we do. The French ignore the EU and the ECHR (Romanian deportations) and don't get fined. If they do get fined, they don't pay...look at the ban on British beef when it was safe to eat. The other EU countries are very protectionist.

I'm still not getting this point on EU interference in the UK's budget.
Does anyone know why they care what we do if we are not in the Euro?

Tabitha8 They want political union in Europe. Economic union is a prerequisite. They use every crisis as an opportunity for more powers to be passed from nations to the Eurocrats.

This is about politics before it is about economics.

Tabitha8. I think the interference in the British budget is what we give them, our contribution to being a member of the EU, at present that is £45 million a day. They wanted a 6 percent increase Cameron gave them
over 2%, not good, but there you go.

But they are talking about influencing the budgets of individual member states. Including fines for any country that borrows too much.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324053/EU-makes-fresh-grab-control-budgets.html
Anyone for a march on Brussels? It might be rather nice this time of year . We could all do a bit of shopping at the same time.

Brussels is cold and very wet at the moment; it's been pissing down all day.

I don't think that Cameron will let them look at the budget before it's presented to Parliament or to influence it...Hague was very clear on that during one of the EU debates very early on in the Coalition. We are not in the Eurozone; not are we likely to be so - we set our own interest rates and are not pegged to the Euro, so actually the EU has no control over us in that way. The ECB cannot intervene as the BofE takes priority here.

scaryteacher

I wish I had your optimism. Every PM since Thatcher seems to roll over before Brussels out of politeness, or something.

Tabitha8. If you could kindly organise a march, I would be more than delighted to join in! (along with half the population of this country).

I'll give moral support, but if the weather in Brussels carries on as it is, I am staying indoors as it is too wet to go out.

LFN - I don't think either Cameron or Hague are fools and they perhaps have more idea of how Europe/Brussels actually works than our former lords and masters did.

Complimentary Half the population of the UK marching on Brussels = an invasion force. That would certainly show them .

The fonctionnaires would raise their supercilious eyebrows at you. The barricades would be erected and you would not get anywhere near Berlaymont or Schuman, and the police would be there with guns as they are each time there is a protest at the EU.

Scaryteacher. What has happened to this country? What about 'fighting them on the beaches?' and all that............

Are there many protests, then, outside the Berlaymonster? Guns, seriously? Hmm.
[Tabitha goes away for a rethink on tactics].
Mind you, with 30 million people, we could certainly surround them. It would be the biggest pincer movement in military history.