why don't more women join Labour party?

[tabbymoomoo]

I would love to know why women Typically vote tory? conservatives ideology goes againist equality, when equality is a fundamental value of the labour party.

We should all be voting for labour because they are the founders of; the two weeks of referral for all
atients with breast problems,opened surestart centres,flexible
working for parents,national minimum wage,working tax credit,9 months paid maternity,Free nursery provision,fairer pension system.
for women,funded 36 Sexual Assault Referral Centres and
expanded the number of domestic violence
courts,96 women
with more women MPs then the other political parties put together,NHS,£370 million to deliver
improved short break services for families with
disabled children, Human rights.
The list goes on and on.

Also the current coalition cuts will hit women three times as hard as men, even though they earned and own less than men.
look at the things being cut: child benefit,housing benefit, health in pregnancy,tax credits,surestart,free swimming for under 16's and more. This will directly effect women.
it would be interesting to know your views.

Because women aren't solely interested in stereotypical 'women's issues', possibly? We have wider concerns? The Tory party has traditionally campaigned on things like lowering crime, reducing taxes, encouraging commerce and reducing state interference in private lives.... and these are very attractive propositions for many women as well as men. Much of the social legislation these days... working hours, maternity leave etc.... is determined in Brussels rather than Westminster.

The Labour party, don't forget, marched us into war in Iraq with very shaky justification. Many people have not forgiven them for that. They claimed to be the 'party of the hard working family' but ran the economy into the ground taking hard working families with it. And if you think the Labour party with their police-state plans for ID cards, 90-day detention without trial and DNA databases, was the party of 'human rights' you're very sadly mistaken.

Can't answer your question Tabbymoomoo.
I'm a women and I voted Labour. Would rather chew off one of my own feet than vote Tory.

Chil1234 we have a strange agreement with euro which is far too long and boring to type out but basically we can choose to opt out of some agreements should we choose it's not as clear cut. Labour introduced and fort for those maternity rights nothing to do with Europe.
unfortunlty we have an alliance with the US that Cameron act knowledge?s "were junior partners with US" It's a common mistake to think that if the conservatives were in power we would have not gone to war. we would we had no choice, unfortunately we need them as they are allies and a global superpower. i think you we see for your self the alliance is still there it has to be, we as a country signed ourselves to that. regardless of who?s in power in are own goverenment.90 - detention also goes hand in hand with that.

What about the government privatizing the NHS, 18week waiting time to referral gone, 2 week cancer referral GONE. Do you not find this scary, people are going to die, that is unless they can afford private care. This is a Tory ideology individual responsibly.

do women really vote tory? silly bisoms! here's hoping you knock some sense into our silly little heads

cos it's crap

By the way chil1234;
Tories have never been about lowering Taxes raising them for lower-middle incomes and only lowering them for the top earners. what do you think is happing right now VAT rising? this affects low-middle incomes far worse.
pay freezes while VAT goes up is far worse than EVERYONE paying a little more. INTERST rates will follow soon. The Tories have always put up tax that effects low-middle incomes look it up for yourself. look at the 1980-83 recession and when the Conservatives raised VAT from 8% to 15% hard working families were hurt.
look at the 1990s and when the Conservatives raised VAT from 15% to 17.5% hard pressed families were hurt.
they tried to raise VAT on fuel to 17.5%

CRIME; police are losing there job's and also the Tories have already announced that they will reduce custodial sentences. how is this for lowering crime? Front line jobs in crime are being lost right now. so I?m afraid you?re the one who's disillusioned.

CerealOffender;
shocking i know.

labour's record on civil liberties is scary - real 1984 type stuff
and they really did spend money they didn't have in a very irresponsible way, often on things with limited research evidence to back them up (e.g. children's centre buildings in more affluent areas still going up earlier this year)
they have become dominated by champagne socialists lately and lost touch with the mrs duffy core labour vote completely
they were arrogant in power in their last term of office and blinded by spin. before it started 1 million people marched against the iraq war but tony blair ignored them. everyone with half a brain knew beforehand there were no wmd.
i do appreciate some of their success that you have listed and i don't like the tories at all. let's hope ed milliband sorts some of the above out, i think he will at least try.
fundamentally i am sympathetic to the labour ideals but not happy with them lately tbh.

labour's record on civil liberties is scary - real 1984 type stuff
and they really did spend money they didn't have in a very irresponsible way, often on things with limited research evidence to back them up (e.g. children's centre buildings in more affluent areas still going up earlier this year)
they have become dominated by champagne socialists lately and lost touch with the mrs duffy core labour vote completely
they were arrogant in power in their last term of office and blinded by spin. before it started 1 million people marched against the iraq war but tony blair ignored them. everyone with half a brain knew beforehand there were no wmd.
i do appreciate some of their success that you have listed and i don't like the tories at all. let's hope ed milliband sorts some of the above out, i think he will at least try.
fundamentally i am sympathetic to the labour ideals but not happy with them lately tbh.

Tabby, I will never vote Labour because:

They consistently screwed over HM Forces from 1997-2010.

They screwed over education by giving more funding to schools in Labour heartlands, than those in the rural SW.

They are an urban party with no understanding of rural issues, nor do they give a damn about them.

Intrusive surveillance, a raft of legislation designed to keep the populace where they wanted them, and ID cards by the back door.

The creation of a client state using taxpayers money via tax credits etc.

Unnecessary and monolithic data bases which were insecure. Vetting and barring which would prove nothing.

They rolled over on the Lisbon Treaty and have ceded far too much power to the EU.

They are hypocritical - happy to have the benefits of a private education and an Oxbridge degree for themselves, and yet want to deny it to those who want that for their own kids.

By the way, the election has happened, so no-one will be voting for them at the moment. Hopefully, the coalition will be in for along time, and even better, the Tories will be stronger.

sorry double post in my rant!

'they tried to raise VAT on fuel to 17.5%' I think you'll find that was the EU, and the Tories managed to get the VAT on gas, electricity and oil down to 5%.

scaryteacher:
I'm shocked you?re a teacher who defends the Tories! Thatcher milk snatcher. I was at school then and my building was almost falling I had to share a book with 5 students I can?t believe in the decision to end Building Schools for the Future!
free schools set up by groups of parents or teachers are the most socially divisive education experiment for 60 years.

The Lib Dems overwhelmingly backed a motion that attacked free schools because they risk "increasing social divisiveness and inequity in a system that is already unfair".

New Labour has made mistakes. but Labour holds its hands up to this and has a new generation rising up.

If I'm hearing the new Labour leader correctly he is going to great lengths to distance himself from the decision to go to war in Iraq. He knows it was wrong. The Tory leader, faced with the same decision and the same information at the same time, may well have come to the same conclusion that Blair did. But Blair was the PM..... the buck, as they say, stops here.

Reducing crime has little to do with the number of policemen and more to do with operational priorities and organisation. Stuffing overcrowded prisons with yet more people doesn't necessarily reform them. If the NYPD can bring crime down with less money and fewer officers, so can we....

I certainly am 'disillusioned' with the Labour party because I think it's been sold on false pretences for many years. Claiming to support the working man and buying votes with handouts does not promote unity and equality... .it breeds resentment.

tabby - I don't think you really want to know, you just want to barrage with loads of facts to support your view that everyone should vote Labour.

As a party activist for many a year, this is where you and much of the party are going wrong...you don't listen

You are too busy telling, telling, telling...

The last year under Brown felt like 1984.

Many of us are pig sick of it.

Police 'could lose 40,000 frontline jobs'

i work with the police daily and i can tell you for a fact they will be cutting jobs. they have to find up 40% of cut's which undoubtly means jobs.

I don't know what you do for a living but you try and see how much losing even 40% of your shopping bill will effect you.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7994577/Police-could-lose-40000-frontline-jobs.html

look for yourself.

i do, i just want the fact's stright. i know labour made big mistakes. but let's play with the facts not myths.

When you simply don't have the money to spend, you have to cut your cloth according to your means.

If you want to get angry, why not ask yourself how we got into this situation? Why, after 13 years of supposedly terrific growth and economic prudence, the country hasn't a pot to piss in. Your answer, I'm pretty sure would be 'The evil banks!!! The tax dodgers!!'.... but I'd argue that government mismanagement, spending to win votes coupled with no attempt to put money aside for the inevitable downturn is a big part of why the police force is in the situation it currently is.

I was a Tory from when I could vote.I became a teacher at 35. I was also glad when the milk went. School milk left on a radiator put me off the stuff for life.

You also might like to grow up a little, name calling of previous education secretaries makes me think you are still in the classroom, or is this your first job, being a Labour stooge? You don't write as someone who was educated at that time; you would have been taught punctuation and grammar for a start.

Just because I'm a teacher doesn't mean automatic enrolment in the ranks of the Labour Party. I took great pride in being the token Tory in the staffroom. I believe in streaming and setting; I don't believe that there is a 'one size fits all' in Education as each child has individual needs that cannot be addressed by mixed ability teaching in large comprehensives.

BSF has stopped because in the words of Liam Byrne 'there is no money left', your lot spent it all.

I can see no difference apart from age between Ed Milliband and Neil Kinnock. I think the unions feel they have got their man in place, and he will soon find there is a price to pay for that. I think that Old Labour has come back with Ed Milliband, and I don't want to see that again thank you very much.

Because i work really hard and i don't want to pay any more in tax than i have to, especially to give benefits to people who can't be bothered to work

I want a stable economy where business can flourish.

I think that some services are best supplied by the gov - defence, education, health but that basically we ought to look after ourselves if we can

I don't like being continuously biased against because I work hard and i don't like this happening to my children either.

I want to spend my own money not hand it all over in tax to the government to spend on whatever pet project it has that will benefit labour voters

there are so many other reasons

dreamingofsun: i agree that people who chosse to never work should work, that there should be a living wage, so they can work and get by without deciding, that not working makes them better off .

but tax is going up? NHS is being privatized? that's not labour.

you say we should look after ourselves this is all fine if you can afford private health/eduacation care.

NHS AND STATE school's are't just for people who are out of work. most people who i know who have great jobs use these services.

tabby - in my thread i say that some things are best supplied by the state - healthcare and education being 2 of them.

sorry don't understand your comment about tax going up? ours went up considerably under the labour gov and we got nothing back in return. this wouldn't have been so bad if the money was spent more efficiently but it seemed to be flung at public services with no thought for efficiency savings.

conservative is not anti-equality. Conservatism is at heart about keeping stuff the same. What this has meant has varied.

labour has traditionally been about protecting the rights of the working man, so not pro-equality either.

I don't think it's true these days that "women typically vote Tory", I think more women than men voted for new labour in 1997, for instance.

The reason I am no longer a labour party member is because of the Iraq war. Basically. Though I think the labour gov did lots of good things in areas I care about, I can't be a member of the party which went with Bush into Iraq.
I'm also not keen on the expansion of religious schools and academies. that was my second biggest problem with labour.

scaryteacher
AGAIN, I'm surprised your a teacher, I have dyslexia and I?m proud I have the confidence to type publicly.

May I add I did not create Thatcher milk snatcher. it was around long before I could vote.
You are a bully. I think teaching is the wrong profession for you.