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Muslim Mnetters - do you struggle with Fajr??

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PussinJimmyChoos · 22/03/2009 20:27

I frequently do...I actually woke up in the night last night for a wee and it was fajr time but I was just too tired to make wudu and do it. I also find that when I do fajr, it takes me ages to drop back off to sleep, and then I'm more tired in the day..

I work 3 days a week and also have a toddler so my sleep is precious..

Any tips?

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suwoo · 22/03/2009 20:32

Your post has intrigued me, Puss. What is Fajr please?

PussinJimmyChoos · 22/03/2009 20:34

Hiya Suwoo - its the dawn prayer. It gets earlier as the summer gets closer - hence my struggling to get up! lol

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suwoo · 23/03/2009 07:35

Ah thanks. I know a bit about Ramadan and what that entails but hadn't heard of Fajr- what time does it fall in the morning?

Lindenlass · 23/03/2009 07:41

Suwoo - I'm guessing it falls at dawn, being the dawn prayer!

sarah293 · 23/03/2009 07:44

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suwoo · 23/03/2009 10:31

Yeah but what time is dawn??? smartarse .

FAQinglovely · 23/03/2009 10:33

dawn and dusk

suwoo · 23/03/2009 10:46

Thank you FAQ . I am lucky that DS is only waking up once in the night these days, so I am missing the dawn breaking.

amirah85 · 24/03/2009 11:33

one tip is drink looot of water before bed then you'll surely wake up insha'Allah

Alambil · 25/03/2009 01:42

I wonder if allah would really mind if you just delay the prayers for a couple hours? (as in go the loo, go bed then wake at normal time and say it) ?

I mean, surely it's important to you that it's said rather than specifically when it's said ? Or would it shove the whole day out of kilter?

GothAnneGeddes · 25/03/2009 01:55

Lewis - It is important, praying the five prayers on time is a big deal. (Hope that didn't sound snotty)

Yes, I'm struggling too. I always find the switch from winter, when I can pray at my normal getting up time, to summer (when it's way earlier than that) really, really hard and dh is the same.

I think even if you don't succeed it's important to have the intention.

Btw Salaam Alaikum to all the Muslim Mumsnetters. I'm new here (and to being a Mum) and was really pleased to so many sisters.

Puss - Am I right in thinking that your dh is Syrian? Mine is too.

ummadam · 25/03/2009 10:46

Salaams everyone,

Yes I really struggle too since DS was born (now 15months). Used to get up fine, pray and go back to bed but now it is a real struggle and I keep oversleeping! I'm having much more trouble with fasting too fasted all but 6 days when I was pregnant alhamdolillah but kept getting dizzy and had to stop when I was breastfeeding and now I keep fainting when i try to make them up. I'm not anaemic and my blood pressure is fine (I'm a doctor) I think I'm just too exhausted and my metabolism has changed and isn't able to manage anymore

I find it quite upsetting and my iman is low as a result which doesn't help

PussinJimmyChoos · 25/03/2009 19:34

Salaams All!

Gothanne - yes my husband is Syrian. Have you been over there at all??

UmmMadam - 'When my servants call on me, I am indeed there for them, I listen to the prayer of every supliant when he calls on me. Let them also with a will listen to my call and believe in me, that they may walk in the right way'

Insha'Allah your iman will increase. My first Ramadan after breastfeeding was awful. I did find my metabolism had changed and I just could not go without food like I did before, and I had to break my fasts a few times. However, the next Ramadan, when my metabolism had settled down, it was much easier - Ill Hamdu Illah - take it easy, keep praying and Allah will make it easy for you, Insha'Allah

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madlentileater · 25/03/2009 19:44

do you still have to fast if pregnant or breastfeeding?
I thought you were excused?

PussinJimmyChoos · 25/03/2009 19:45

No, you don't have to fast when pregnant or breastfeeding.

You can either make them up or pay a certain amount for the days missed - that's my understanding of it. I didn't fast when pregnant - didn't want to take the risk to the health of the baby or myself

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ummadam · 25/03/2009 20:07

Thanks Puss jazakhallau khair

My understanding is that you should start each day in ramadan with the intention of fasting. unless a muslim doctor advises you it is too dangerous for you or the baby. If you feel unwell you break the fast as you would for any illness. If you break the fast becasue you feel ok but are worried about the baby (like if the movements are less than normal or your milk is less) then you make up the fast and pay to feed a poor person for each day. If you break it because of fears for your own health you make it up later.

I looked into it quite a bit when I was pregnant and all the research suggests that if you are healthy and your overall fluid and calorie intake is maintained in a 24 hour period there should be no risk to the baby - but there are quite a few different opinions and at the end of the day Islam is not a hardship so I fasted the days I felt ok and didn't fast the days I felt a bit woolly I found fasting in pregnany ok, but after he was born it has been almost impossible and I have so many to make up

GothAnneGeddes · 26/03/2009 03:12

Puss - That's a lovelu answer you gave to Ummadam, I wanted to write something but I didn't want to sound preachy.

I've been to Syria twice and am going again in November, insha Allah. I'm a bit nervous about going there with the dd. Any tips would be much appreciated.

saadia · 26/03/2009 07:12

Yes I find it difficult too. I was setting the alarm and getting up but would then feel exhausted all day. The only solution I can see is to try and get to bed earlier but that is not always possible.

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PussinJimmyChoos · 26/03/2009 21:10

GothAnne - which part of Syria? My DH is from Damascus.

I've taken DS twice now - once when he was 10mths and then again when he was nearly two. What you take with you depends on what the family over there already have. Because DH's siblings are a lot older than him, there was no baby stuff knocking around..except the offer of an old cot at which I privately shrieked to DH about lead paint, second hand matress, SIDS etc..bear in mind DS is my first child and so I have PFB (Precious First Born) syndrome!

So, we took a travel cot and a car seat to leave over there...or you could ship it over in advance - worth leaving there for future children, Insha'Allah.

As you are probably aware, the whole car seat issue over there is very much of the Insh'Allah nature and I was at this, so insisted on a car seat, much to the amusment of DH's relatives.

As for food - if you are breastfeeding, then you won't need to worry about milk. I was FF so I took three cartons of Aptamil - well wrapped so they didn't bust in the hold. One in each suitcase so if one got lost, still had spare. For sterliisation, I took milton cold water tablets - 1 tablet for 5 litres of water and just sterlised everything over night. Only drank bottled water and made sure DS only had bottled water as the tap water there can have a funny effect if you aren't used to it. They have pasteurised milk there and DS was fine with it for his second trip when he was on cows milk. It doesn't cook very well though - cheese sauce made with Syrian milk was just weird!!

For DS's first trip, I took quite a few pots of the plum baby food - he liked this and its lighter than jarred baby food (again, well wrapped!). Of course, there is veg over there that you can puree up but be aware its more seasonal than over here. There is a new shopping mall in Damascus (assuming you are going to Damascus!) called Cham Centre and this has a big supermarket with all familar brands - Heinz baby food, johnsons etc, although the formula brands are different to over here. Pampers are very well known over there and you shoudn't have any trouble finding them BUT, they seem to potty train earlier over there and so the heavier weight nappies ie for toddlers, are not so common. What I did, was jam nappies in every available nook and cranny of the suitcases, plus in the mummy bag, DH's carry on bag etc and then I didn't feel under pressure to find a shop that sold the right nappy size right away! I use Huggies, which are not so common in Syria so I used Pampers in the day time and saved the Huggies for the heavy, night time nappies

I took medications with me - baby calpol, neurofen and rehydration sachets - for adults and babies. It may still be sunny in November so I would plan to take a suncream and sun hat just in case.

We took the buggy with us - the pavements in Damascus are a pisser - potholed, very high off the road to stop pavement parking etc, so you need a lightweight buggy. We took our Maclaren with us and it did the job a treat. If you have a fancy expensive bugaboo or similar, leave at home and get a cheap stroller instead! Take reins as well if toddler is walking - roads are manic over there.

You will need to be prepared to be more flexible with the baby routine. Our friend's toddler, who is just a few months younger than DS, has a bedtime of 10pm at the earliest and they don't think twice of taking babies out late. DH's family were bemused by our insistence on routine and being back at the house at a certain time, but because Syria is two hours ahead, a 7pm bedtime there is 9pm here so it worked out very well and we got a lie in (7am wake up = 9am in Syria! Result!!)

If your child is blonde or very fair looking, there will be lots of attention from people - head patting, cheek pinching etc. Take this in your stride - its the norm over there.

They love fat babies and DS was a chubber when we first went and so he had lots of looks and a shop assistant even left the counter, kissed him on the cheek and said ooh I like him so much!

I've really waffled on here haven't I!! I just know how stressed I was on my first trip with a child and would have appreciated this kind of advice! Oh, and one last thing - give calpol 30mins before take off - helps to stop the ears from hurting

Anything else, just give me a shout!

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PussinJimmyChoos · 26/03/2009 21:13

I meant a 7pm bedtime here is a 9pm bedtime in Syria!

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GothAnneGeddes · 27/03/2009 01:54

Jazak Allahu Khayran for all the advice!

Yes, dh is from Damascus.

I'm already panicking about the car seat. I was looked on as being highly strange just for wearing a seat belt in the back seat, so I imagine my insistence on a car seat will seem odd, but I don't care.

Dd is PFB and I'm super morbid about car accidents, so we will be getting a car seat and probably a travel cot too.

The advice about the calpol is excellent.

Btw, how do they potty train so early over there? I remember telling my dh that it's between 2/3 here and he was horrified, as to him that's really late.

Desiderata · 27/03/2009 01:58

Puss

Have you had another baby?

Is 'having a wee' another Muslim tradition?

PussinJimmyChoos · 27/03/2009 20:33

Des - I'm confused - where have I said about having a wee?? But no, only the one so far...working on no two though although not right now...that would take my multi tasking to whole new levels

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PussinJimmyChoos · 27/03/2009 20:35

Goth - no idea about potty training over there...mind you, they all seem to have flats, more than one bathroom is standard, with the hose pipes as well so I guess that makes potty training easier...also, in the summer, the rugs are up and its just marble so I guess accidents are so much easier to clean up than if had carpet!

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