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The Shack- anyone read it?

23 replies

horseymum · 11/03/2009 13:59

I have just ordered it from Amazon as was recommended it by a friend. I bought 2 so I could give away one if it is good. Any comments on it? Anyone given it to a non-Christian friend?

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pinkdolly · 12/03/2009 07:42

I have read it. Bought it for dh to read when he was sent away with the forces for a few months. He thought it was brill as did i when I pinched it back off him on his return.

It can be hard reading in places especially as one of my girls is the same age as the little girl in the story.

But I felt that it really made me think about my relationship with God. And how much closer I could be.

Am really not wanting to give too much away if you haven't read it yet. But I will say that I know of a few people who were a bit at the way God was portrayed in some of the story. I actually felt that His characterization was brilliant, it really helped to see the way God loves us and cares for us and created (for me at least) a much more personal view of God's desire for intimacy with us.

I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts when you have read it. It really is a fantastic piece of writing.

Jeffa · 15/03/2009 17:37

I read it. Various copies are being passed around my church at the moment. I thought it was brilliant, and challenged areas of my life and my relationship with God.

roisin · 15/03/2009 17:40

I couldn't stand it, for so many reasons. Despite my advice dh is reading it now.
There was an earlier thread on this. I think Twinset was reading it, but I don't know what she made of it when she'd finished it.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 15/03/2009 17:41

My Born-Again DSis gave me (non-religious, lapsed CoS) a copy for Christmas. While it's a cutesy way to describe the Holy Trinity, it's embarrassingly badly written and made my skin crawl.

But I understand it's a best seller amongst the illiterate Americans.

Clockface · 17/03/2009 11:07

I'm afriad I gave up halfway through. The thing I disliked most about it was the fact that the storytline regarding the unfortunate daughter was so obviously a plot device to get the central character to the shack. There was no integrity to it as a novel; I felt it hijacked the genre (badly)so as to prvide a framework for a theoloical discourse. And as an English graduate, tat really annoyed me.

Everyone else around here loves it though...

mummydoc · 17/03/2009 11:12

i thought it was such dross i cannot think of anything else to say really. I am a born again aethiest btw and thought /hoped it might give me some basis for re exploring my faith but NO .

roisin · 17/03/2009 20:13

dh is now blaming me for 'making' him read this "pile of poo"!

He said he didn't mind the beginning, even though the writing was so poor, the theology was OK (for an American). But its saving grace evaporated as the theology deteriorated later on in the book he says. (I don't actually know which bit he means, and life's too short for us to spend time discussing books that neither of us enjoyed!).

Clockface - I'm with you. I really disliked the way he used 'the worst thing you could possibly think of' as a plot device; it's almost voyeuristic and I find it distasteful and irritating.

Clockface · 19/03/2009 08:54

Exactly Roisin. Voyeuristic is just the word. It cheaps the devastation of anyone who has ever been in that awful situation. Grrr.

Clockface · 19/03/2009 08:55

Cheapens.

MsHighwater · 02/04/2009 23:18

Well, I quite enjoyed it. I thought it was food for thought. I found the initial bit quite hard going because it is such a dreadful thing to think about. What is a plot device anyway except "something that happens in the book"? What is wrong with that?

I also didn't find it "embarrassing badly written" either. Perhaps I turned into an illiterate American while I wasn't looking.

Clockface · 03/04/2009 10:09

MrsHighwater, I am genuinely glad that you liked it. Don't let my killjoy rantings take anything away from your enjoyment!

Plot devices, though, since you asked...(long answer alert)...Well, I like books in which the central character comes alive in my imagination. Great literature is full of great characters, some of whom are so strong and so vivid that you can imagine them outside the confines of the novel they are in. Elizabeth Bennet from Pride and Prejudice is a great example. There was a series on ITV last year caled 'Lost in Austen' whose premise was a modern-day London chick swapping lives with Elizabeth Bennet. The reason that TV series worked was that P&P has such amazing, mutlidimensional characters that it is possible to extrapolate how they might reach to a completely different context.

Part of the joy of reading great books is that you can anticipate how their chrarcters are going to respond to the situations they are in. You get under their skin, you weep and laugh with them, you love them or hate them.

Personally, I didn't find that was the case with 'The Shack'. I felt that what the author really wanted to do was to get a message across and he chose the genre of fiction to do it in, rather than having a great story to tell with a message which, for those who have ears to hear, deepens and enlivens the story. I felt that the characters were one-dimensional. It's a bt like watching Casualty on the telly, and seeing a cetain nurse walk onto the set, and being able to predict who the next person onto the set will be, because the storylines are that crass and obvious that people only relate to each other in set ways and can only exist with in the framework of one storyline at a time.

THe effect of all this on me is that I really can't be bothered with what happens to Mr XYZ because in my imagination I've already sussed out that he's not a real person, he's a cut-out figure whose only purpose in this book is to introduce all these theological discourses. So I gave up reading because I wasn't sufficienly concerned about the fate of the daighter because, let's face it, the book wasn't really about that, it was a framework for a message.

Really good Christian literature - I'm thinking about the parables of Jesus, Dosteovsky, C. S. Lewis and one or two others - is all about genuinely good stories that entertain and satisfy, but have a deeper meaning lurking under the surface. Adrian Plass said something about "stories that entertain at the front door while the truth skips in through the window". The Shack was a bit more like the truth barging its way through the front door with the story wandering in behind it looking slightly puzzled.

So the quick answer to your question; here you go!

Clockface · 03/04/2009 10:11

Reading all that, I guess I'd say I'm a purist. I want a story to be first and foremost a story, with the option of going deeper if the reaser so chooses. I'm not sure that's possible with The Shack.

MsHighwater · 04/04/2009 21:22

I still think it's just an elaborate way of saying "I didn't like it", though.

MaryBS · 05/04/2009 08:08

Does anyone want to sell their copy? Its going to be a book for our book group, and I (and possibly some others) would be interested...

Astrophe · 05/04/2009 08:22

I haven't read it. I've read lots of reviews (positive and negative), and chatted to people about it, and don't want to read it. Here is one review (negative) which talks about it from a Biblical perspective, and about some of the problems with it. OP, you may be interested in it - some points to bear in mind as you read perhaps.

BreastfeedingMum · 24/04/2009 19:10

I've read it and absolutely loved it! Like Clockface, I'm an English graduate (and English teacher) too ;)but unlike Clockface, I thought it was fabulously well written (would love if you'd been in a tutorial group with me and we could have really got stuck it!!)

Indeed I've even downloaded the mp3 version so I can listen to it over and over again.

I was gripped the entire way through and felt the Holy Trinity was explained to me in an interesting and very effective way. I enjoyed the plot-line and felt that the fact a tragedy was used to entice the reader in was understandable. After all, wouldn't the situation that occured cause any parent to question God and His ways?

I came away from the book feeling rejuvenated and excited about my newfound understanding of the Trinity and I've been frantically recommending it to anyone and everyone who'll listen to me!

Although I can appreciate that The Shack won't be to everyone's taste I really do feel it's the sort of book that the more you read the more you'll get from it. I'm quite certain there are many levels of understanding hidden within the text and I can't wait for the opportunity to dissect it all over the next few readings!!

bottersnike · 24/04/2009 19:15

My mother-in-law lent me her copy, and I couldn't wait to finish it so I could get on with my chick lit!
I love reading all sorts of Christian fiction, but this was a pile of pants. Utterly empty characterization attempting to thump a message home with all the subtlety of a brick.
A real Marmite book, it would seem

RyanAirVeteran · 24/04/2009 19:20

What a pile of steaming poo......

Gave up halfway through.....

coolma · 25/04/2009 21:51

I'm trying very hard to get through it at the moment as my Christian friend has lent it to me and I have so much respect for as well as her being a very good friend. However, I have just got to a bit which is making me so angry with what I am perceiving, as an agnostic, as the blind, well blindness I think is the only way to describe it, of christianity - just accepting that hideous things happen because they are 'God's will' and should be treated as 'good' things because God decided to allow them to happen. Perhaps I am getting all in a muddle but it's made me put it down and walk away muttering...

fircone · 19/05/2009 10:15

Just throw in my twopenneth here, although old thread.

I read this last night, having picked it off the library shelves. Had no idea it was a Christian book, but nevertheless decided to give it a good go.

Thought about the message therein, but I couldn't get over the fact that the book read like a Reader's Digest article, and kept seeing Whoopi Goldberg in my mind's eye as God. (She was God in one film, wasn't she?)

Clockface · 19/05/2009 10:18

I have just re-read it for an assignment and have added to my list of reasons why I really don't like it. I do appreciate that some people love it but it really isn't my cup of tea. Oh well.

Clockface · 19/05/2009 10:19

Fircone - yes yes yes to Whoopi Goldberg! I can just see the smirky smile and the broad grin...

Weegiemum · 19/05/2009 13:04

I imagined it more like Queen Latifah, like she was in 'Hairspray'

I didn't mind the book, it certainly gave a bit of a different perspective to me about the Trinity but in no way answered any questions I had about suffering.

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