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Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,

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Justmerach · 19/01/2026 15:47

Hi, I was following the “Do you believe in God thread” and it seems to have been closed. I read a post and wanted to reply to somebody who said that Jesus is not the Son of God. I just wanted to reply to them that why in Christianity in the scripture that we know that Jesus is the Son of God and explain why in my faith scripture supports that Jesus Christ is Only true Son of God.

Jesus is the Son of God but was also a prophet. He is also the redeemer to come as this post will explain.

Let me first say first in all three faiths we share much of the Old Testament and believe in the same God. I remember this topic right from my university days comparative studies between all three faiths.

I want to share a document about the Messiah prophecies about Jesus Christ to come that are in the Old Testament and commonly used online.

The Messiah prophecies have all be attached can be clicked on saved and enlarged. It comes in five images.

The word Christ and its Hebrew parallel means the anointed one which Christ is. Not added to that document above and to come to your attention-The Rod of Jesse in Isaiah 11 is also a prophecy of Jesus Christ to come. The Rod of Jesse/root of Jesse was the last rod for Jews and culminated with the Lord. Christians on this rod are his followers itself. God’s famous rods started with Aaron which placed which was placed in the arc of Covenant as a reminder and bore flowers as a promise of regeneration for the Jews. Jesus became as Christians our vine and we became him branches in the New Testament (John 15).

A photo of the Rod of Jesse from a church collection willl be attched in the next post.

It is Jesus the redeemer and heir to David who will redeem us all and the Jews to from exile-Jesus is from the offspring and roots of David (Revelation 22: 16). Some Jews believe that the Messiah prophecies are for David to come, but this is inaccurate and it is Jesus who will redeem them. "I will set up thy seed after thee (after King David), which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son (2 Samuel 7 12-13). God in this scripture also called David his servant and said that his Son was to come.

This scripture further points that Jesus Christ will be the one to redeem the Jewish people. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, the Lord our righteousness Jeremiah (23: 1-6). David will return in the new Jerusalem (Hosea 3:4-5).

Jesus is also known as the Prince of Peace and more attributes which do not point to who is to come as being a mere mortal being and this is mentioned in (Isaiah 9:6). “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

God also confirms in the New Testament Jesus as his only Begeotteon beloved Son –“this is my Beloved only son who I am well pleased" (John 3:16 ). Then in Luke Jesus was asked to this question if was the Son of God and Jesus said that yes he is the Son of God (Luke 22:70). He does not lie and the God the Father simply does not lie as well.

The miracles and healing he gave as we all saw in the New Testament that Jesus Christ ministry gave are well known in the New Testament around 40 in number they were as recorded in the Bible and I saw too with my own eyes in church and in my life, the healing that he gave me. I saw a child who could not walk once an after a few times of healing work at church he started to walk again. This was a miracle of Jesus Christ in our era. It is Jesus Christ who primarily who approves the gifts of the Holy Spirit this as he is the head of the church who appoints these gifts and roles of ministry (Ephesians 4:11).

The Church Body which are made of human beings are the members of the church and Jesus is also the head of the Church and we are part of this body (Ephesians 1:22-23). He promised to send believers a comforter after his resurrection Christ as a Christian gave me the spoken comforter which is the Holy Spirit (John 4:11)? The comforter is the Holy Spirit you receive when you are baptised of water and spirit..

The Son of God is an expression which indentified Jesus of Nazareth as the being who has had an eternal relationship to his Father (Psalm 2:7 ) "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." Christ claimed to be the Son of God (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). This too makes clear that Jesus is the Son of God (John 5:18). Also in the New Testament the term the Son of God appears in the New Testament almost 50 times. God also confessed that Jesus was his son at his baptism and at the transfiguration (Matthew 3:16, 17; 17: 5). Jesus also said that he is the Son of God (John 4:15) Revelation (2:18) (John 20:31) (Matthew 4:3) (II Corinthians 1:19) (Luke 8:28), the Jewish Sanhedrin condemned Jesus for blasphemy (Matthew 26: 63-66); (Mark 14 :61).

Jesus also was eighty times called the Son of Man which means God and the Messiah for humans in the New Testament. In Psalm 80 he was also called the Son of Man and was to called the Son of Man throughout Ezekiel to.

Jesus came to life as a mortal divine being through an Immaculate Conception. Angel Gabriel told Jesus' mortal mother to be Mary that she would overpowered by the Holy Spirit and receive a child and that would be God's Son.

This story is found in the Gospels- (Luke 1:26-38)-" And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David". The book of Luke is considered a highly reliable historical source which I know nearly all my life and it is the word of God.

I think in some countries more signs of Christ and the Holy Spirit presence will convince more people that Jesus is the Son of God and that eternal life is near and they will a season at least a while and will stay like young cubs parked with a lion on grass with him.

More history confirming Jesus Christ life is the Dead Sea Scrolls-
The Dead Sea scrolls contain (Isaiah 53) prophecy which is about Jesus Christ life to come. These scrolls were found in caves south of Jericho in the Dead Sea are and contain Biblical evidence the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament. There are two scrolls Isaiah, one being complete. To our understanding of the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament times, and to a better understanding of Hebrew and Aramaic.

We have done the 1st resurrection of Christ and are waiting for the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) which will happen in a twinkling of an eye (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) and then will come the 2nd judgement and second coming and judgement and then New Earth/Heaven.

We should be working in the field till he comes-"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." (Matthew 24:20).

Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
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Justmerach · 14/02/2026 09:52

Parker231 · 14/02/2026 06:08

Having a faith doesn’t mean that the individual is a better person, it means they can live their life without the rules and regulations imposed on them by having to do what god tells you to do. Life is much less complicated without a religion.

The Christian faith doesn’t work so well if you try to force it on others. You need to be led by the spirit and for sometime this might not happen for some people but they can still have a faith. Christ gives peoples freedom and his guidance is quite general. Not everybody is called to serve in the ministry. People can impose ideas themselves like Halloween some will take it as a bit of fun and see it in a light manner around All Souls and some would like to see it banned as they see as evil in orientation. People need to do what they feel is right for them. I need to have my faith in my life.

The 10 Commandments are in the Bible are quite general many of them-
1-Not to commit Adultery 2- Not to steal, 3) Not to tell lies about others (false witnessing) 4) Not to murder 5) Not to be bitter about what other people have. 6) Respect your parents (the New Testament says that parents should not provoke their children to (Ephesians 6:3-5)

Christ-Respect others as yourself. (Others-help the sick and the poor).
The others are more Christian.

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Wapentake · 14/02/2026 10:17

RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 09:10

So you said "A certain man named meant something else."

I established , from the Greek. that it means exactly what it says.

I asked you what you think it means, and you replied:

"For me when I say a certain someone and not someones name it means you may be trying to not say it-sometimes it means something is in part or all not litreal."

But the name is there. Again, from KJV: "Act 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, "

His name is right there, Ananias.

You also say above :" These are some views (not mine) and it is still open"

You wrote that immediately after you wrote "For me when I say ....". So what is it ?

I am not bothered about the later Church or Joshua, I am talking about Acts 5. That short story in the totally infallible NT. And it looks like we might need to work through it one word at a time. The story here makes no reference to Joshua or the 4th century Church.

Do you agree that " "Act 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, .." means:

a certain man named Ananias

There was a man called Ananias

a fella called Ananias

A man by the name of Ananias

Someone called Ananias

etc .

?

I think @Justmerach and Joseph Prince, whom she links, are getting confused with the traditional way of signalling that the story that follows is a parable, rather than literally true. A parable often refers to the main character as ‘a certain man’, or ‘a man’ or ‘a householder’, rather than naming him. ‘A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard…’ ‘A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers…’

But that’s not the case here. Both of the couple are named.

And, bluntly, @Justmerach, as ever, you really need to start checking your sources! A quick google shows Joseph Prince (whose sermon about how the Ananias and Sapphira story doesn’t show us an angry god, but a god defending Christians from unbeliever con artists exploiting them you linked) is a Singaporean evangelist who started his own church, which now has a multi-million property portfolio in Singapore, and reportedly draws a salary of $500,000 a year, on top of ma,int many more millions from hosting a to show broadcast in 200 countries, making him one of the richest Christian ‘pastors’ in the world.

This man is a disgusting, exploitative human being, making untold wealth from the gullible. It’s pretty ironic that he thinks that Ananias and Sapphira are con artists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Prince

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-creation-buys-star-vista-for-300m-9-things-to-know-about-the-church-pastor-prince-and

New Creation buys Star Vista for $300m: 9 things to know about the church, Pastor Prince and the mall

The church said it has acquired The Star Vista mall for $296 million "to protect the interest of the church". Read more at straitstimes.com. Read more at straitstimes.com.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-creation-buys-star-vista-for-300m-9-things-to-know-about-the-church-pastor-prince-and

Parker231 · 14/02/2026 10:29

More googling in the middle of the night - bad jet lag and found some good comments

  1. There is clear evidence that Christianity has evolved as human understanding of the world has changed whilst a real, God-given religion, should never need to change.
  2. There is clear evidence that humans on this planet have unequal access to Christianity so, if Christianity were true, billions would be condemned to hell for no fault of their own. This contradicts the Christian notion that God is omnibenevolent.
  3. There is clear evidence that the Bible, supposedly inspired by God, is liberally sprinkled with the type of errors we would expect from its Iron Age authors but would not expect from the creator of the universe.
  4. Christian theology is incoherent to the point of absurdity. God killing his son so he can forgive our future sin is like me breaking my son’s legs so I can forgive my neighbor in case she ever parks her car on my drive. It is quite ridiculous.
  5. There is clear evidence that the arguments presented for the existence of the Jewish God are logically flawed—all of them have been shown to be unreliable. If this were not the case, all honest and intelligent people would accept that God exists, just as all honest and intelligent people accept that black holes exist.
All that is left for Christians is faith and their feelings. We know that faith and feelings can be used to believe in any god at all—including non-existent gods. So faith and feelings cannot help us determine if Christianity is true.
RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 10:41

Wapentake · 14/02/2026 10:17

I think @Justmerach and Joseph Prince, whom she links, are getting confused with the traditional way of signalling that the story that follows is a parable, rather than literally true. A parable often refers to the main character as ‘a certain man’, or ‘a man’ or ‘a householder’, rather than naming him. ‘A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard…’ ‘A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers…’

But that’s not the case here. Both of the couple are named.

And, bluntly, @Justmerach, as ever, you really need to start checking your sources! A quick google shows Joseph Prince (whose sermon about how the Ananias and Sapphira story doesn’t show us an angry god, but a god defending Christians from unbeliever con artists exploiting them you linked) is a Singaporean evangelist who started his own church, which now has a multi-million property portfolio in Singapore, and reportedly draws a salary of $500,000 a year, on top of ma,int many more millions from hosting a to show broadcast in 200 countries, making him one of the richest Christian ‘pastors’ in the world.

This man is a disgusting, exploitative human being, making untold wealth from the gullible. It’s pretty ironic that he thinks that Ananias and Sapphira are con artists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Prince

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-creation-buys-star-vista-for-300m-9-things-to-know-about-the-church-pastor-prince-and

Yup, a con man.

Ironically, this is from the link to him that @Justmerach posted:

"So for Ananias and Sapphira, rest assured that they were not believers. They were con artists who came into the early church to try to deceive God’s people financially. "

So this guy is saying a character called Ananias who is killed in Acts FIVE is the same guy as in Acts NINE. And that he was a nonbeliever, but in actual fact the Acts NINE story is about him becoming a believer.

He survived the acts NINE story, after being killed off in Acts FIVE.

Another resurrection ? A Dallas shower ?

The acts NINE story is also in a totally different place.

Also worth a note is Acts 9:11 "And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, " (KJV)

I assume this is a different Judas than the one in the gospels. So yeah, the same name does not mean the same person.

Goodness me.

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 11:00

Wapentake · 14/02/2026 10:17

I think @Justmerach and Joseph Prince, whom she links, are getting confused with the traditional way of signalling that the story that follows is a parable, rather than literally true. A parable often refers to the main character as ‘a certain man’, or ‘a man’ or ‘a householder’, rather than naming him. ‘A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard…’ ‘A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers…’

But that’s not the case here. Both of the couple are named.

And, bluntly, @Justmerach, as ever, you really need to start checking your sources! A quick google shows Joseph Prince (whose sermon about how the Ananias and Sapphira story doesn’t show us an angry god, but a god defending Christians from unbeliever con artists exploiting them you linked) is a Singaporean evangelist who started his own church, which now has a multi-million property portfolio in Singapore, and reportedly draws a salary of $500,000 a year, on top of ma,int many more millions from hosting a to show broadcast in 200 countries, making him one of the richest Christian ‘pastors’ in the world.

This man is a disgusting, exploitative human being, making untold wealth from the gullible. It’s pretty ironic that he thinks that Ananias and Sapphira are con artists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Prince

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-creation-buys-star-vista-for-300m-9-things-to-know-about-the-church-pastor-prince-and

Thank you, I try and avoid this looking into personal details of others to form opinions. I have seen a couple of their sermons on the television and they seemed helpful. I don't know anything else about them apart from what they said that they came from quite a deprived upbringing.

The sources I have used are fine myself directly-if responding to others they have been ok and read and it wasn't me posing their question.

Thank you for making clear about the term of the word " A certain ,man named." Now If I was telling a story and wanted to avoid usings someone name..they could use a certain man named X (any name) to obscure the name. This happens as well when people sometimes want to use a fictious name.

I thought Joseph's first paragraph may be have been insightful but the rest seemed to be mostly his own thought on this

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RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 11:09

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 11:00

Thank you, I try and avoid this looking into personal details of others to form opinions. I have seen a couple of their sermons on the television and they seemed helpful. I don't know anything else about them apart from what they said that they came from quite a deprived upbringing.

The sources I have used are fine myself directly-if responding to others they have been ok and read and it wasn't me posing their question.

Thank you for making clear about the term of the word " A certain ,man named." Now If I was telling a story and wanted to avoid usings someone name..they could use a certain man named X (any name) to obscure the name. This happens as well when people sometimes want to use a fictious name.

I thought Joseph's first paragraph may be have been insightful but the rest seemed to be mostly his own thought on this

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Quote : "Now If I was telling a story and wanted to avoid usings someone name..they could use a certain man named X (any name) to obscure the name."

But the name is right there, in acts 5 :

Act 5:1 " But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, " (KJV)

The name is right there. And his wife's name.

So acts 5. Why were the couple killed, right in front of the apostles ?

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 11:30

RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 10:41

Yup, a con man.

Ironically, this is from the link to him that @Justmerach posted:

"So for Ananias and Sapphira, rest assured that they were not believers. They were con artists who came into the early church to try to deceive God’s people financially. "

So this guy is saying a character called Ananias who is killed in Acts FIVE is the same guy as in Acts NINE. And that he was a nonbeliever, but in actual fact the Acts NINE story is about him becoming a believer.

He survived the acts NINE story, after being killed off in Acts FIVE.

Another resurrection ? A Dallas shower ?

The acts NINE story is also in a totally different place.

Also worth a note is Acts 9:11 "And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, " (KJV)

I assume this is a different Judas than the one in the gospels. So yeah, the same name does not mean the same person.

Goodness me.

The Ananias in Acts 5 does not appear to be same person in Acts 9. They were called a disciple in Acts 9.

Acts 9:10 -And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias;.

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RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 11:36

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 11:30

The Ananias in Acts 5 does not appear to be same person in Acts 9. They were called a disciple in Acts 9.

Acts 9:10 -And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias;.

Yup. So what on earth is Joeph Prince on about ?

So... Acts 5. Why were they killed and why did the apostles just bury them ?

They should have been forgiven.

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 11:41

RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 11:36

Yup. So what on earth is Joeph Prince on about ?

So... Acts 5. Why were they killed and why did the apostles just bury them ?

They should have been forgiven.

I gave my opinion a few pages back, but different thoughts are still be taken on it. I showed a minister who is ordained and has experience in ministry the link to what I posted and they can read it and weigh it all together and I will reflect on it all and comment. I thought what Joseph Prince was saying that a certain man named meant an unbeliever and a certain disciple meant a believer. That is what I thought helpful about what they wrote. I wil paste it below.

"Every time the Bible mentions a believer in the book of Acts, it says “a certain disciple,” and every time it talks about unbelievers, it is “a certain man” or woman. So the Holy Spirit is very clear in distinguishing between this Ananias and the other Ananias who restored Paul's sight in Damascus. In Acts 5:1, the Holy Spirit introduces “a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife,” while in Acts 9:10, the Holy Spirit says “a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias.”

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RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 12:14

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 11:41

I gave my opinion a few pages back, but different thoughts are still be taken on it. I showed a minister who is ordained and has experience in ministry the link to what I posted and they can read it and weigh it all together and I will reflect on it all and comment. I thought what Joseph Prince was saying that a certain man named meant an unbeliever and a certain disciple meant a believer. That is what I thought helpful about what they wrote. I wil paste it below.

"Every time the Bible mentions a believer in the book of Acts, it says “a certain disciple,” and every time it talks about unbelievers, it is “a certain man” or woman. So the Holy Spirit is very clear in distinguishing between this Ananias and the other Ananias who restored Paul's sight in Damascus. In Acts 5:1, the Holy Spirit introduces “a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife,” while in Acts 9:10, the Holy Spirit says “a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias.”

Edited

Re your second paragraph, his name is given.

So what was your reason for them being killed in acts 5 ? I must have missed it among all these pages.

It should be a really easy question to answer.

Wapentake · 14/02/2026 12:19

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 11:00

Thank you, I try and avoid this looking into personal details of others to form opinions. I have seen a couple of their sermons on the television and they seemed helpful. I don't know anything else about them apart from what they said that they came from quite a deprived upbringing.

The sources I have used are fine myself directly-if responding to others they have been ok and read and it wasn't me posing their question.

Thank you for making clear about the term of the word " A certain ,man named." Now If I was telling a story and wanted to avoid usings someone name..they could use a certain man named X (any name) to obscure the name. This happens as well when people sometimes want to use a fictious name.

I thought Joseph's first paragraph may be have been insightful but the rest seemed to be mostly his own thought on this

Edited

@Justmerach, but again, it’s your responsibility to check your sources, not to ‘try to avoid looking into personal details of others to form opinions’.

Who someone is is going to determine what they say. This Joseph Prince is a multi-million- dollar con artist, milking gullible Christians out of huge sums. Do you really think he’s a reliable source of information on a faith that’s based on non materialism, loving your neighbour and not coveting others’ possessions?

I wonder how he ‘explains’ it being easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven? It seems deeply unlikely he believes in the existence of that heaven, or in the sanctity of a penniless itinerant Galilean preacher from the first century, or surely he would be living a vastly different life.

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 12:43

Wapentake · 14/02/2026 12:19

@Justmerach, but again, it’s your responsibility to check your sources, not to ‘try to avoid looking into personal details of others to form opinions’.

Who someone is is going to determine what they say. This Joseph Prince is a multi-million- dollar con artist, milking gullible Christians out of huge sums. Do you really think he’s a reliable source of information on a faith that’s based on non materialism, loving your neighbour and not coveting others’ possessions?

I wonder how he ‘explains’ it being easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven? It seems deeply unlikely he believes in the existence of that heaven, or in the sanctity of a penniless itinerant Galilean preacher from the first century, or surely he would be living a vastly different life.

I cannot determine their income . It is not the way I would live and I think I read that they have a church and incomes could need to be paid may be and they may be need an income to live from. I think it is better to focus on what he says in a sermon and allow your mind to reflect on it than rather what he has
in his earnings. Not talking about this, but some Christians do have some captial in the bank and they can be generous still with this and modest in their outlook. They have a Youtube as well.-

https://www.youtube.com/@JosephPrince/videos

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/@JosephPrince/videos

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RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 12:49

Wapentake · 14/02/2026 12:19

@Justmerach, but again, it’s your responsibility to check your sources, not to ‘try to avoid looking into personal details of others to form opinions’.

Who someone is is going to determine what they say. This Joseph Prince is a multi-million- dollar con artist, milking gullible Christians out of huge sums. Do you really think he’s a reliable source of information on a faith that’s based on non materialism, loving your neighbour and not coveting others’ possessions?

I wonder how he ‘explains’ it being easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven? It seems deeply unlikely he believes in the existence of that heaven, or in the sanctity of a penniless itinerant Galilean preacher from the first century, or surely he would be living a vastly different life.

Ha ha... I am going to challenge you @Wapentake .

There is no evidence that Jesus was poor. The evidence in the gospels are to the contrary. If I combine and conflate bits without chapter and verse:

He got expensive gifts as a baby. And he was born in a manger because the hotel was full.

At age 12 or so they went to the big temple. That would be expensive.

He could apparently read and write. Expensive.

And when he died, the Romans drew lots for his clothes. So not rags.

This is my thing really. What is the myth, and what does the bible actually say.

The eye of a needle is easy though. The millionaire preachers say the needle was the name of a small low gate in the walls of Jerusalem , and the camels had to duck. Honestly, that's what they say.

:-)

Wapentake · 14/02/2026 13:46

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 12:43

I cannot determine their income . It is not the way I would live and I think I read that they have a church and incomes could need to be paid may be and they may be need an income to live from. I think it is better to focus on what he says in a sermon and allow your mind to reflect on it than rather what he has
in his earnings. Not talking about this, but some Christians do have some captial in the bank and they can be generous still with this and modest in their outlook. They have a Youtube as well.-

https://www.youtube.com/@JosephPrince/videos

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What do you mean you 'cannot determine their income'? JP's (real name Xenonamandar Jegahusiee Singh) enormous salary, paid from the church he started himself, is a matter of public record, when the Charity Commission of Singapore required charities to disclose the salaries of their top executives. I'm assuming you're joking about whether you think he might need an income of more than $500,000 a year 'to live on'?

It's not a matter of whether some Christians have money! It is the fact that this man has monetised Christianity, by exploiting gullible believers. This 'church' is essentially a big business which has a huge property portfolio, including a $300 million shopping mall and a $500 million events centre, all funded by huge fundraising drives among members.

Use your critical intelligence for a second, @Justmerach. Are you going to tell me that you would trust a word said about wealth, donations, tithing etc said by a man for whom Jesus is a cash cow?

Wapentake · 14/02/2026 13:54

RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 12:49

Ha ha... I am going to challenge you @Wapentake .

There is no evidence that Jesus was poor. The evidence in the gospels are to the contrary. If I combine and conflate bits without chapter and verse:

He got expensive gifts as a baby. And he was born in a manger because the hotel was full.

At age 12 or so they went to the big temple. That would be expensive.

He could apparently read and write. Expensive.

And when he died, the Romans drew lots for his clothes. So not rags.

This is my thing really. What is the myth, and what does the bible actually say.

The eye of a needle is easy though. The millionaire preachers say the needle was the name of a small low gate in the walls of Jerusalem , and the camels had to duck. Honestly, that's what they say.

:-)

Grin Grin

Gold, frankincense and myrrth, and very expensive swaddling. More bigtime Galilean property developer than humble carpenter? Large staff of apostles? Holiday home in Egypt?

RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 14:02

Wapentake · 14/02/2026 13:46

What do you mean you 'cannot determine their income'? JP's (real name Xenonamandar Jegahusiee Singh) enormous salary, paid from the church he started himself, is a matter of public record, when the Charity Commission of Singapore required charities to disclose the salaries of their top executives. I'm assuming you're joking about whether you think he might need an income of more than $500,000 a year 'to live on'?

It's not a matter of whether some Christians have money! It is the fact that this man has monetised Christianity, by exploiting gullible believers. This 'church' is essentially a big business which has a huge property portfolio, including a $300 million shopping mall and a $500 million events centre, all funded by huge fundraising drives among members.

Use your critical intelligence for a second, @Justmerach. Are you going to tell me that you would trust a word said about wealth, donations, tithing etc said by a man for whom Jesus is a cash cow?

Yup. This JP guy does not even make the top ten richest preachers list.
Kenneth Copeland, at number 3 or 4, has his own private airport for his fleet of private jets.

He said he can't fly commercial, because he does not want to be in a tube with a bunch of demons.

That's why he needs five private jets. And his afore mentioned private airport.

Wapentake · 14/02/2026 14:38

RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 14:02

Yup. This JP guy does not even make the top ten richest preachers list.
Kenneth Copeland, at number 3 or 4, has his own private airport for his fleet of private jets.

He said he can't fly commercial, because he does not want to be in a tube with a bunch of demons.

That's why he needs five private jets. And his afore mentioned private airport.

A charmer. Wasn't he the one who said Trump was 'led by the spirit of God'?

RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 14:46

Wapentake · 14/02/2026 14:38

A charmer. Wasn't he the one who said Trump was 'led by the spirit of God'?

Can't remember that. But Trump is surrounded by them. They donate a lot.. to Trump.

Because the dems threaten to tighten up on the 501c tax free thing.

Just like Jesus. He did not like paying tax either, or so they say.

Mar 12:17 "And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him." (KJV)

Ahh no, wait, Jesus said to pay tax. The preachers get that wrong too :-)

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 15:07

Wapentake · 14/02/2026 13:46

What do you mean you 'cannot determine their income'? JP's (real name Xenonamandar Jegahusiee Singh) enormous salary, paid from the church he started himself, is a matter of public record, when the Charity Commission of Singapore required charities to disclose the salaries of their top executives. I'm assuming you're joking about whether you think he might need an income of more than $500,000 a year 'to live on'?

It's not a matter of whether some Christians have money! It is the fact that this man has monetised Christianity, by exploiting gullible believers. This 'church' is essentially a big business which has a huge property portfolio, including a $300 million shopping mall and a $500 million events centre, all funded by huge fundraising drives among members.

Use your critical intelligence for a second, @Justmerach. Are you going to tell me that you would trust a word said about wealth, donations, tithing etc said by a man for whom Jesus is a cash cow?

It means I cannot determine somebody’s income their out goings and incoming based on online without even seeing the books. My brother has worked for the treasury and is an economist and you need to see accounts which I am not privy to. I am not there to sit as a judge and be an arm chair reviewer without the full facts. Sometimes it may be clear that people may be rather false in their endevours, I don't think it is clear here though.
Jesus said that we should put his mission first above everything and follow his word. There are some Saints that came from financial wealthy backgrounds and they were very generous down to their will as well.

St. Katharine Drexel (1858–1955) for example did a good with the financial wealth that she had.

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Justmerach · 14/02/2026 15:21

RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 12:14

Re your second paragraph, his name is given.

So what was your reason for them being killed in acts 5 ? I must have missed it among all these pages.

It should be a really easy question to answer.

I am getting different peoples opinions to weigh to see how they reflect and then will comment again. I was looking at the Good News Translation and in Acts 4 they gave money for possessions at that time in the early church and divided it within themselevs. . Also, I found out in a translation the Good News translation I don't usually look at they were called a man and not a certain man to suggest them being an unbeliever like the other translations.

I wrote if litreal it would most likely be a test case that doesn't happen today as as church's are robbed, ministers are killed and lied to probably and the culprits survive.

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RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 15:28

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 15:21

I am getting different peoples opinions to weigh to see how they reflect and then will comment again. I was looking at the Good News Translation and in Acts 4 they gave money for possessions at that time in the early church and divided it within themselevs. . Also, I found out in a translation the Good News translation I don't usually look at they were called a man and not a certain man to suggest them being an unbeliever like the other translations.

I wrote if litreal it would most likely be a test case that doesn't happen today as as church's are robbed, ministers are killed and lied to probably and the culprits survive.

Edited

It's the Bible. It is supposed to be the infallible never changing inspired word of God.

I am asking how you explain the story in acts 5. What you think it means.

Parker231 · 14/02/2026 15:54

RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 15:28

It's the Bible. It is supposed to be the infallible never changing inspired word of God.

I am asking how you explain the story in acts 5. What you think it means.

Aligns with my earlier post

  1. There is clear evidence that Christianity has evolved as human understanding of the world has changed whilst a real, God-given religion, should never need to change.
  2. There is clear evidence that humans on this planet have unequal access to Christianity so, if Christianity were true, billions would be condemned to hell for no fault of their own. This contradicts the Christian notion that God is omnibenevolent.
  3. There is clear evidence that the Bible, supposedly inspired by God, is liberally sprinkled with the type of errors we would expect from its Iron Age authors but would not expect from the creator of the universe.
  4. Christian theology is incoherent to the point of absurdity. God killing his son so he can forgive our future sin is like me breaking my son’s legs so I can forgive my neighbor in case she ever parks her car on my drive. It is quite ridiculous.
  5. There is clear evidence that the arguments presented for the existence of the Jewish God are logically flawed—all of them have been shown to be unreliable. If this were not the case, all honest and intelligent people would accept that God exists, just as all honest and intelligent people accept that black holes exist.
All that is left for Christians is faith and their feelings. We know that faith and feelings can be used to believe in any god at all—including non-existent gods. So faith and feelings cannot help us determine if Christianity is true.
Justmerach · 14/02/2026 17:01

Parker231 · 14/02/2026 15:54

Aligns with my earlier post

  1. There is clear evidence that Christianity has evolved as human understanding of the world has changed whilst a real, God-given religion, should never need to change.
  2. There is clear evidence that humans on this planet have unequal access to Christianity so, if Christianity were true, billions would be condemned to hell for no fault of their own. This contradicts the Christian notion that God is omnibenevolent.
  3. There is clear evidence that the Bible, supposedly inspired by God, is liberally sprinkled with the type of errors we would expect from its Iron Age authors but would not expect from the creator of the universe.
  4. Christian theology is incoherent to the point of absurdity. God killing his son so he can forgive our future sin is like me breaking my son’s legs so I can forgive my neighbor in case she ever parks her car on my drive. It is quite ridiculous.
  5. There is clear evidence that the arguments presented for the existence of the Jewish God are logically flawed—all of them have been shown to be unreliable. If this were not the case, all honest and intelligent people would accept that God exists, just as all honest and intelligent people accept that black holes exist.
All that is left for Christians is faith and their feelings. We know that faith and feelings can be used to believe in any god at all—including non-existent gods. So faith and feelings cannot help us determine if Christianity is true.

That is your thoughts clearly, but I want to point out again that some people have recieved evidence of their faith through healings, miracles and mysteries as well. Gulshan Esther for example has a best selling book and she converted from Islam I believe to Christianity and had healing through Christ she has written and she has documented this.. I have written how the Holy Spiirt can confirm peoples faith for them that it is real. The Bible states this as well.It is Jesus who appoints his believers gifts of the Holy Spirit, their roles in the church and that also demonstrates that he is with us today as he gave me mine to.

Ephesians 1: 17

“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Gather of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him”

John 14
" Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you".

Ephesians 4
“And he (Jesus) gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ”

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Parker231 · 14/02/2026 17:06

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 17:01

That is your thoughts clearly, but I want to point out again that some people have recieved evidence of their faith through healings, miracles and mysteries as well. Gulshan Esther for example has a best selling book and she converted from Islam I believe to Christianity and had healing through Christ she has written and she has documented this.. I have written how the Holy Spiirt can confirm peoples faith for them that it is real. The Bible states this as well.It is Jesus who appoints his believers gifts of the Holy Spirit, their roles in the church and that also demonstrates that he is with us today as he gave me mine to.

Ephesians 1: 17

“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Gather of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him”

John 14
" Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you".

Ephesians 4
“And he (Jesus) gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ”

Edited

Doesn’t answer the points I have listed

Justmerach · 14/02/2026 18:18

RedTagAlan · 14/02/2026 15:28

It's the Bible. It is supposed to be the infallible never changing inspired word of God.

I am asking how you explain the story in acts 5. What you think it means.

Somebody could read and take it in different ways each person.

You have to look at the case and say that in the early church they seemed to operate like this by sharing what they have. The couple lied and we are told not to in the faith. They didn't respect the church or community as it was trying to establish itself.

However-these things-

They was not given forgiveness
It was not in line with the Commandment to not murder this also involved loss of blood and life which Christ covers.
They were not before God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as such
They did not commit blasphemy unto the Holy Ghost
Jezebel and associates were given many chances to change by Christ in Revelations for their immorality which rated as immoral by God, lying doesn't appear to be as grave although it is a sin
When Aaron son's were consumed for defilement by God, they were before God at Yom Kippor I think and the mosaic law
Apostles can be sinful to they are human blessed with the Holy Spirit
God although it was prophecy recently watched his Son being lied about by false witness and they remained upright.
..
In view of this I say it may be a symbolic story with a message that we need to respect the church and each other. It also says that hypocrisy and lying is not tolerated in the true church. It also suggests that Christ takes this seriously. I wrote earlier if it is litreal that is a test case and model case and not in use today. God has the overall authority and three attributes would need to in agreement I think. I would say look at the bigger picture.

Colossians 3:9
"Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds"

(Revelation 21:8)-not to lie

(Numbers 23:19)
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"

I will compare thoughts over this with a minister tomorrow.

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