Do christians get offended by the "darwin/evolution" fish-shaped car stickers?

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Hope not, my sis got me one thats now stuck to my car! (i am always going on about how i dont believe god or anyone made the world, it has been scientifically proven that the evolution theory is the one that holds the most weight)

"pro-heterosexuality"
what on earth do you mean by that?
humanism is not the same as an expression of sexuality

Just another total misunderstanding about Christianity. As if those who display a fish symbol are also displaying a belief in Creationism. What baloney. Believing in Darwin and believing in God are quite compatible you know.

Terribly patronising and smug if you ask me.

I didn't say that humanism is the same as an expression of sexuality. The debate is about symbols. My point is that the icthus fish has been used for hundereds of years as a Christian symbol amongst christians to identify themselves. The pride flag is used for similar reasons by homosexuals. Both symbols are found in car stickers, clothing jewelry etc. To take these symbols which have been long established within their respective communities and bastardise them to show what could be interpreted as the opposite view is rude.

I can see the funny side to it, but I wouldn't bother with one. I'm not anti christian - I'm pro rational thought.

its hardly smug

its just a laugh

I think they are smug.

I just hate stickers on cars. I don't care if you are Christian, an Evolutionist, pro-British Farming or support the Dogs' Trust.

Just drive your bloody car.

Depends on the Christian - if they're creationists, then yes, they probably wouldn't like it.

There are very many Christians who are not Creationist, including the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury, who have no problem with evolution and so presumably would not be offended.

I'm a Christian, I believe in evolution, I don't think those two positions are incompatible. I don't have a fish sticker on my car (I'm too road ragey) but I agree with other posters that a car sticker which is essentially a pun on a symbol used by another belief system, is rude. I wouldn't be offended if I saw one but its a bit of a cheap gag.

Harpsi, cobblers about the intolerance. If people want to stick naff stickers on their cars, then I'm not going to stop them or tell them to stop.

How is it intolerant to point out that most often, the point of having a Darwin Fish is because you're having a (slightly misinformed, but still) pop at what you perceive to be Christian beliefs?

I mean, I seriously don't give a monkeys if people have different beliefs to me, and I've said that on MN loads of times before. (I am a very recent name-changer, so apologies if I look like a complete stranger being a bit over-keen) I don't even mind if they do it in a very forthright manner.

It just seems a bit disingenuous to do something which most atheists are quite open is a dig, and then ask, all wide-eyed innocent, 'Does this offend?'

Does the pope really not believe in creation? That's surprising to me. You'd think it would be in the job description really.

greyriverside, he just doesn't think created by God/process of evolution is incompatible. It's basically 'it was evolution, but God did it'.

EruvandeAini, thanks. I know lots of christians have moved over to saying that, but I really thought the pope would be the last one to go.

Roman Catholic faith (and C of E not that diff.) based on liturgy (inc. bible), prayer and tradition. Not just based on bible. This allows interpretation of bible taking into account the context of the writers, history etc. as well as developments in science, such as the theory of evolution.

Oh I don't blame them retreating as science advanced. But it is an admission that they were wrong before and therefore could be now. So nothing is set in stone (so to speak)
The reason I was surprised about the pope and not surprised by the archbishop is that the pope is supposed to be infallible when speaking of matters of faith.

Nah the Pope doesn't do wrong, it's a matter of interpretation - the justification is that those principles don't change, but the results might!

I mean, the principles of interpretation, sorry unclear.

As in there used to be a limbo for babies too young to sin, but now there isn't. God created adam and eve and now he didn't.

I should stop hijacking this thread now, but I was genuinely surprised because I thought the pope would stick to the original story for appearences sake because anything else makes the infallibility thing look silly.

I wouldn't be impressed by anyone who expressed a serious opinion via a car sticker.

I'm an Atheist and I have one but it's not really because I completely trust the whole thoery of evolution but more because I think they are clever. I'm niot taking the piss out of Christians who choose to have a fish. I would hope they are not offended, I'm not offended by the fish!

lol Greyriverside you are not wrong!

Beaniesteve I laughed the first time I saw a "you don't have to be mad to work here but it helps!" notice - I think these things have a natural life...

The purpose of Papal infalibility is to preserve the teachings of Christ from additions or change. It relates only to explainations of what is revealed by Christ.

Pope Leo 13 believed in evolution and stated that scripture does not teach science. St. Augustine believed in evolution. He thought that God created several species and other species came into existance through reproduction. Mendel did invaluble work on genetics pre Darwin.

That's a better explanation, thanks IGNB

I'm a christian and would love a 'darwin' fish as I think they are totally not mutually exclusive!!! Why cant God have created the world through evolution?