Atheists and proof cont….

[Kdtym10]

A carry on from the previous thread

To a certain extent there is some arrogance involved. The human condition is to seek understanding. The assumption being that if there is something they do not or cannot understand, then the only reasonable explanation is a deity.
Rather than admitting that there is something you do not have the capacity to understand, it’s less damaging to the ego to attribute ones ignorance to a higher power. There can simply be no other explanation as to why we are not all-knowing.

No, it just means that primitive peoples all go through the same process of trying to understand the world until they develop some form of science

That, it's really not that difficult to imagine. Oh no, there is big noise and light, there must be someone living up in the sky!

Divinity and spirituality are really good answers to questions that don't have any other answers. We don't know = the devine is a poorly executed equation.

i Know your desperate for the God of gaps mantra be correct as it serves your ideology. But that’s just not the experience of those who are spiritually inclined where the world of spirit adds on
to the physical world as another layer
rather than filling gaps in understanding.

You might find the explanation in Coleridge’s autobiographical works of interest. Perhaps you should read that?

Ah, so a man’s brain can become like a woman’s then? So it is possible for a man to become a woman?

Oh I definitely think there’s arrogance involved. All these comments about “ primitive people”’thinking there’s someone in the sky because they just weren’t as clever or developed as scientists.

it’s a bit like in the 19th century people thought the white Christian male was the height of evolution - therefore an excuse for racism.

At least all these “primitive people” didn’t destroy the world with its science and technology

You’re not your - fucking hell why does the edit button only last such a short time?

i Know your desperate for the God of gaps mantra be correct as it serves your ideology

I don't have an ideology, just my own life experience.

i Know your desperate for the God of gaps mantra be correct as it serves your ideology.

I have absolutely NO ideology

I am not 'desperate' for a 'God of Gaps'

You are ascribing way too much to me. I am simply using my brain.

Hit a nerve!

I really hope you have an ideology!

Why does everyone need an ideology?!

Science has changed and developed over hundreds and thousands of years. There are current proofs, and current theories. Then something comes along and provides new evidence, and scientific theories change.

So yes, at one point science believed the white male was the epitome of evolution. Then that theory was proved false. Just as Newton came up with one theory of gravity that lasted for hundreds of years, then Einstein came along and improved it.

But of course, there aren’t hundreds of different theories on religion and the divine, and they haven’t changed over thousands of years either, have they…?

@Kdtym10 don't hope on my account, I'm ok, really.

Who’s destroyed the world with its science and technology. They are a huge plus not a negative. We are richer for the ongoing science and technology developments.

Whether or not people need an ideology really depends on how you define the concept. We all know there are many ideologies out there. I support some, to a greater or lesser extent. There isn't one that I support 100%. So if an ideology is something that can be individual and gave only one adherent, then you're right because we all have rules, a world view and limits that shape our choices and our actions. If on the other hand you define an ideology that has a group of adherents by definition then no, I haven't got one and do not need one.

@Kdtym10 I'm not sure why you think you 'hit a nerve' after I refuted your ridiculous comment:

i Know your desperate for the God of gaps mantra be correct as it serves your ideology.

I maintain that I am not desperate for anything, certainly not anything that serves a particular ideology!

I feel you're no longer interested to hear others' opinions?

Oh no it’s definitely the former I h more supportive of individual ideologies which have been carefully considered than simply buying into another ideology wholesale.

Would you say you had this type of ideology, if so, how would you define it!

You can think what you like, choose to engage or not! Doesn’t bother me either way

The point of becoming a Christian isn’t to make your life better. Otherwise people would never become Christians in places like North Korea and Afghanistan, where they know they will encounter severe persecution, but they do.

For example, ‘if an Afghan's Christian faith is discovered, it can be a death sentence, or they can be detained and tortured into giving information about fellow believers… This means Christians – almost all of whom are converts from Islam – must keep their faith secret, or they may simply disappear.’ (Under Sharia law, leaving Islam results in the death penalty.)
https://www.opendoorsuk.org/persecution/world-watch-list/afghanistan/

J Warner Wallace, a former homicide detective, writes:

//At the age of thirty-five, it seemed like I had everything I could possibly want. I’d graduated at the top of my class… and was in an incredible job assignment… I had been with my wife for eighteen years and we had a great family. We just purchased our second home… Nothing could have been better. This was the status and condition of my life when I walked into a Christian church for the first time…

I’m not a Christian because it “works” for me. I had a life prior to Christianity that seemed to be working just fine, and my life as a Christian hasn’t always been easy.

I’m a Christian because it is true.//

I think this is really important. Nearly all spiritualities/religions have an inbuilt expectation of both joy and suffering- it is all about balance. (You can find innumerable symbols across many religions showing this.

I think constantly chasing happiness and measuring life in term of this “happiness” is probably one of the leading causes of mental health issues in the modern world.

What your post also indicates is that many people are so convinced about their internal knowledge they are willing to suffer to hold hold what they feel is the truth. This again had widespread implications for how the individual interacts with society.

I think the secularisation cult is one of the worst things that has befallen society.

Congratulations on arriving at the very same non-sequitur propounded by transactivists every five minutes since 2010 🙄

Reproductive category is not determined by the brain.

I would say I had this type of ideology. It's a thing of many parts:

1. Socialism. Don't just talk the talk, walk the walk. So I have given away three quarters of the wealth I have inherited in life, and I continue to share what I have. I also share my personal experience of hardship with people who are now going through it themselves so they can make sense of what they are going through - this is specifically relating to having a loved one in addiction.
2. Feminism. I will call out misogyny and sexist practice where I encounter it, even if doing so causes me strife, conflict and adverse consequences.
3. Equality. I will apply the same principles that I do wrt feminism when I see racism, xenophobia, homophobia and yes, hatred towards religion.
4. Pragmatism. I will not try the plainly impossible and then beat myself up when I fail. Instead I will look at alternative solutions to see where I can still make a difference without achieving what might be the ideal.
5. Flexibility. If my beliefs are challenged by things that I experience, I will rethink and adjust where it makes sense to do so.

There are probably other bits, but these are the main components.