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New friend giving dd a Bible as a SS present

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Chillyboots · 10/12/2023 08:58

We recently moved to a new area and my eldest dd is in year 9. She started this new school in October and made some new friends.
She says her friends parents are very strict and I don't think they are allowed social media. She had to buy her a Secret Santa present and was really unsure what to buy. She ended up with getting her some chocolate and some lip balm but she didn't even know if she'd be allowed the lip balm!
DD has said her friend is going to get her a Bible which seems a bit odd to me.

I have asked dd if she'd like to invite her friend around but dd said she'd rather not ask her.

I grew up in a very strict Evangelical/Pentecostal household. My dad wouldn't let my mum wear make up and we were all made to go to church on Sunday. All skirts had to be below knee and we didn't even have a TV. Books with swear words in (including school books) were burnt on our Rayburn so I do know about this way of life.
At university, I joined a couple of Pentcostal churches and didn't have a great experience tbh. I got very depressed and confused with it all and at the same time I was studying Theology.
I left the church and I don't attend one now although I have been to some really nice churches in between.

I'm not against her being friends with Christians at all but I am worried that she gets sucked into some kind of cult. I am waiting to see what kind of 'Bible' she brings back.

I also work in secondary school and just can't imagine any of my students giving out Bibles as SS presents.

Am i reading too much into this?

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Kdtym10 · 10/12/2023 19:36

I think it’s a great present. Even if you’re not religious having a good knowledge of the bible is extremely useful in understanding western history and culture, law and art

also a great talking point re how religions can be dangerous

PrimitivePerson · 11/12/2023 05:27

Jellycats4life · 10/12/2023 12:50

Indeed, although many would say JW is a cult.

But it’s still OK to criticise a religion that oppresses and subjugates its followers (especially women and children) to such extremes, isn’t it?

I've been involved in some gruesomely extreme evangelical churches, and have been profoundly damaged by them. Jehovah's Witnesses are several orders of magnitude worse, especially with the way they isolate themselves from everyone else, and the way that shunning is used as a disciplinary tool. It can absolutely destroy people.

Fink · 13/12/2023 15:25

JaninaDuszejko · 10/12/2023 13:30

It’s inappropriate to give people religious symbols unless you know they are the same religion as you! Surely people know that.

My experience is that the Christians (of several denominations) I know are constantly pushing their religion. Never had the same thing from people of other religions. My Catholic MIL is particularly bad, the kids constantly get religious books from her despite her knowing we are raising them without a religion. That was bad enough but we ignored it and quickly disposed of the books. However, when they go to visit her she wants them to go to church and take communion. I had to put my foot down about that.

Apart from the morality of forcing your beliefs on others, your MIL really shouldn't be encouraging non-baptised children to receive communion. If it happens through ignorance/accident, that's one thing, but she must know full well that Catholics believe that only practising Catholics should receive the Eucharist and that encouraging others to do so is a serious sin. If she tries that on you again, I would very firmly tell her that you respect other Catholics' beliefs too much to commit what they would consider to be sacrilege by receiving communion improperly. If you do ever go to church with her, it's something I would genuinely consider reporting to her priest so that he could make her understand quite how inappropriate that suggestion was.

user628468523532453 · 13/12/2023 15:31

I'd be really unhappy about my child having a friend who only valued them for the potential to convert/save them. That's not friendship.

Onionsmadeofglass · 13/12/2023 15:44

Does your daughter know you studied theology at university? I imagine that you own various religious texts as reference books, whatever your current religious feelings and beliefs. I think you’re actually extremely well placed to speak to your daughter about religion, about the philosophies behind religions and about the feelings and the academic study and yes, about the way sometimes religion is used to control and exploit people too.

GrumpyPanda · 13/12/2023 16:10

Hilarious to see all the atheists on here falling over themselves to claim that no, proselytizing somebody in this overbearing fashion wouldn't be offensive. No doubt the gifted Bible will be a really crappy translation, too.

OrlandointheWilderness · 13/12/2023 16:53

Blimey I must've been really lucky! Both parents are CofE vicars and I've never, ever had religion pushed on me!! I'm hopelessly not interested, not once did they buy me a bible or make me go to church. When I went through my goth witchcraft phase as a teenager my dad wanted to know all about it and came with me when I got my teenage rebellion tattoo. Which sort of defeated the point 😂

PaperDoIIs · 13/12/2023 17:28

user628468523532453 · 13/12/2023 15:31

I'd be really unhappy about my child having a friend who only valued them for the potential to convert/save them. That's not friendship.

You don't know that that's the case.

mathanxiety · 13/12/2023 17:45

@JaninaDuszejko
It's very odd that your MIL wants the children to receive Communion if they haven't been baptised or formally made their first Communion. I am a RC and this would be a no-no.

PrimitivePerson · 13/12/2023 19:06

PaperDoIIs · 13/12/2023 17:28

You don't know that that's the case.

Sadly, it often is. I've done it myself.

jc12689 · 22/12/2023 19:38

Rocksonabeach · 10/12/2023 13:01

Yes it is - it’s imposing your religious views on someone else and I’m a Christian. Just no.

I'm not at all religious but giving someone a bible as a gift doesn't really sound like them imposing their views on someone.

It's just a gift.

Jellycats4life · 22/12/2023 20:12

jc12689 · 22/12/2023 19:38

I'm not at all religious but giving someone a bible as a gift doesn't really sound like them imposing their views on someone.

It's just a gift.

Really?!

It’s not just a gift. It’s a religious text. How could that ever be a completely neutral present choice?

elliejjtiny · 22/03/2024 22:48

My ds is friends in a group with 3 other boys. Ds and one other boy are Christian, one is atheist and the other is a JW. Religion isn't really talked about between the 4 of them. The mum of the boy who is a JW is quite keen for her son to discuss his religion with his friends but her son could not be less interested.

DrJoanAllenby · 22/03/2024 22:50

I worked with a chap years ago who's wife was a Jehovah's Witness and he claimed his wife wouldn't allow their children to celebrate their birthday. So she got around it by having them have a present/gift day the day after.

What a load of crap.

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