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How do you conceptualise god?

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OMG12 · 24/04/2023 21:54

Just that really. Atheist, believer or agnostic what do you think of when someone says god? Not a judgement about existence, what concept comes to mind, if you’re a believer (of any faith) how do you conceptualise your god (inc in the plural and feminine)

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Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 17:21

OMG12 · 21/09/2023 16:40

I would argue that we are already perfect for the purpose for which we were created. How can we improve on that?

because that would be a presumption, that we are perfect and a presumption that we know what we were created for ? and as for improving, different abilities like in the show Heroes

OMG12 · 21/09/2023 18:00

Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 17:22

Why would you change- by what measure is something an improvement- that too would be a presumption- every action has consequences

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Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 19:01

OMG12 · 21/09/2023 18:00

Why would you change- by what measure is something an improvement- that too would be a presumption- every action has consequences

perfect memory, improved acquisition of learning information, skills, languages a lot faster , increase the human minds processing abilities , faster reflexes, etc

Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 19:02

by todays standards of learning etc, all would be improved

OMG12 · 21/09/2023 19:45

Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 19:01

perfect memory, improved acquisition of learning information, skills, languages a lot faster , increase the human minds processing abilities , faster reflexes, etc

And why would that be an improvement? What is “perfect memory”? would this include perfect memory of traumatic events? Who would decide what should be remembered perfectly? Is there any value to a perfect memory?

Why would you want humans to develop faster cognitive processing? Would society be able to keep up? Would ethics and morals be able to keep pace? How would this faster processing be used? Would more people be without work? Would these things come at the expense of art?

it sounds like your perfect human is a machine, a computer. Why is your perfect human not someone with the capacity to love more, be more inclined to behave selflessly? To better prioritise kindness, have a greater capacity for empathy.

You see your perfect human sound to me like it should carry the mark of Nero. I’m fact you’ve (I hope) inadvertently realised part of the Christian eschatological myth😂

Revelation of John the Divine ch 13

” 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him; and he causeth the earth and them that dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
14 And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast, saying to them that dwell on the earth that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword and lived.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause to be killed as many as would not worship the image of the beast.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads,
17 that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom: Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.”

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OMG12 · 21/09/2023 19:55

Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 19:02

by todays standards of learning etc, all would be improved

I think todays standards of learning would be much improved by slowing all those things down.

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Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 20:00

fair points @OMG12

OMG12 · 21/09/2023 20:25

Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 20:00

fair points @OMG12

Maybe we are, after all already perfect.😀. Or capable of being so at least. One thing the occult teaches you is the importance and balance in all things

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Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 21:27

OMG12 · 21/09/2023 20:25

Maybe we are, after all already perfect.😀. Or capable of being so at least. One thing the occult teaches you is the importance and balance in all things

but then why strive for balance , if you can be god ?

OMG12 · 21/09/2023 21:59

Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 21:27

but then why strive for balance , if you can be god ?

Because balancing everything realises the God within us. By learning balance it creates unity. God is everything- Good and bad, Satan is part of God.

We are a part of God, as Jesus said - “ye are Gods. “

We are all Christ - Jesus repeatedly told us.

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Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 22:14

if god planned everything, then by default satan was following gods orders and god was responsible for the rebellion ?

OMG12 · 22/09/2023 07:01

Hawkins0009 · 21/09/2023 22:14

if god planned everything, then by default satan was following gods orders and god was responsible for the rebellion ?

Yep-pretty much.

This sums it up

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OMG12 · 22/09/2023 07:33

It’s also worth reading the Book of Job in this context., the connection between the Passover and the slaughter of the innocents the story of the snakes in exodus.

The bible is full of stories of opposites being necessary to achieve balance and progression male:female, god/satan Jesus/Lucifer, the snakes in the wilderness, poisoner and healer

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OMG12 · 22/09/2023 07:54

@Hawkins0009 in this context you might also be interested in theGospel of Judas

Gospel of Judas - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas

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Hawkins0009 · 22/09/2023 18:36

very much apricated for these

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