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Why is religion still a thing?

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Scarletthoo2 · 12/04/2023 15:41

As the title states, I would like to know why people still choose religion rather than science, please give me your personal view and opinions.

I was christened at birth, but grown up an atheist. I'm just curious to know why so many people still believe in religion and god. Considering there's undeniable evidence that everything on earth is simply made of atoms and particles and wasn't created by an otherworldly person.

Hopefully this doesn't cause offence to some people, like I've said, just simply want others views.

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Blaueblumen · 17/04/2023 12:04

For those of you who believe in God, I'd love to ask you this question:

Who or what actually created God?

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 12:49

Blaueblumen · 17/04/2023 12:04

For those of you who believe in God, I'd love to ask you this question:

Who or what actually created God?

No one. god or whatever you want to call it is enteral, no beginning or end.

DoormatBob · 17/04/2023 12:49

@SilverViking thank you for the comprehensive response.

I decided to get the Ignatius Study Bible so it's only the new testament but hopefully gives me a balance of literal scripture translation alongside commentary to help me understand the interpretation.

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 12:54

DoormatBob · 17/04/2023 08:51

A really interesting discussion. I came onto this board this morning thinking of asking a different question but I feel this discussion has the same answers. I was going to ask how literally people take the Bible.

I've always been Atheist, never felt any need to believe in a higher power. I felt religion was a way of constructing a society that isn't controlled by humans, as human control always results in conflict.

I am very interested in human psychology and recently started to think more about the origins of religion. I have just bought a Catholic Study Bible and feel like I want to really learn a lot of the history. I also have some Buddhism texts but haven't put the time into reading them properly yet.

I see the Bible (and other similar works) as being largely allegorical and symbolic, but for me that’s where it’s value lies.

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 13:22

QueenHippolyta · 17/04/2023 11:54

@OMG12 :
"Did you practice Wicca before or a different type of witchcraft?"
I practiced witchcraft not Wicca. Wicca is a religion with just 2 gods: the Lord and Lady. It never really appealed to me.
Witchcraft is performing spells and they historically come from Greek and Roman magic. I worship Diana and practice divination.
What's your practice:)

My practice is largely based on Quabalah, hermeticism, astrology, alchemy and psychology. I practice ceremonial magic,

Blaueblumen · 17/04/2023 13:26

Why is God not making himself more visible so that more people can access/believe in him?

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 13:26

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 13:22

My practice is largely based on Quabalah, hermeticism, astrology, alchemy and psychology. I practice ceremonial magic,

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Oh sorry and Rosicrucianism and Neoplatonic thought

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 13:27

Blaueblumen · 17/04/2023 13:26

Why is God not making himself more visible so that more people can access/believe in him?

But God is everywhere, I don’t know how much more visible God can be. Maybe some people are just blind to God

MaJolie · 17/04/2023 13:53

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 13:27

But God is everywhere, I don’t know how much more visible God can be. Maybe some people are just blind to God

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Yeah. Maybe only to other Rosicrucians.

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 13:57

MaJolie · 17/04/2023 13:53

Yeah. Maybe only to other Rosicrucians.

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Eh???

MaraScottie · 17/04/2023 14:04

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 12:49

No one. god or whatever you want to call it is enteral, no beginning or end.

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Is that not a bit of a cop out though? I mean, it's a bit convenient.

Time is eternal isn't it, or did God create time as well? And did time only start at the Big Bang? So did God create the Big Bang? And then time?

Blaueblumen · 17/04/2023 14:15

So God created himself? From what? And for what purpose?

QueenHippolyta · 17/04/2023 14:31

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 13:26

Oh sorry and Rosicrucianism and Neoplatonic thought

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So interesting, we have a lot of crossover. Kabbalah, Hermeticism , astrology ( Hellenic for me), Jung and alchemy are so vital. He understood what happened to the West and what we need.

QueenHippolyta · 17/04/2023 14:37

MaraScottie · 17/04/2023 14:04

Is that not a bit of a cop out though? I mean, it's a bit convenient.

Time is eternal isn't it, or did God create time as well? And did time only start at the Big Bang? So did God create the Big Bang? And then time?

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If you see the universe as eternal, there is no Big Bang. These Stoics believed this.Why do you insist on a creator god? Time isn't linear either.

In my case the worlds comes into being, destruct and reform. That's eternal too, a cycle. It's a belief of Hinduism, Buddhism and the philosopher Heraclitus.

Blaueblumen · 17/04/2023 15:15

If you see the universe as eternal, there is no Big Bang.

So those of you who believe in God do not think the Big Bang Theory is correct?

Jason118 · 17/04/2023 15:26

Don't try to get there with logic, it won't help.

LastTrainEast · 17/04/2023 15:28

"But God is everywhere, I don’t know how much more visible God can be. Maybe some people are just blind to God"

Whereabouts is god standing right now? Can you point to him?

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 15:36

MaraScottie · 17/04/2023 14:04

Is that not a bit of a cop out though? I mean, it's a bit convenient.

Time is eternal isn't it, or did God create time as well? And did time only start at the Big Bang? So did God create the Big Bang? And then time?

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Well it’s not really a cop out, it is a common description of God, that he is eternal what is time anyway?

This might be of interest to you. The story of the shattered vessels from Kabbalah

36 Days of Judaic Myth: Day 3, The Shattered Vessels

To celebrate the October 13th release of my forthcoming debut novel, King of Shards, I will be featuring one new blog entry a day about a different Judaic myth for 36 days. Today's entry is on the Shattered Vessels.Day 3: The Shattered VesselsBefore ti...

https://www.matthewkressel.net/2015/09/10/36-days-of-judaic-myth-day-3-the-shattered-vessels/

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 15:37

LastTrainEast · 17/04/2023 15:28

"But God is everywhere, I don’t know how much more visible God can be. Maybe some people are just blind to God"

Whereabouts is god standing right now? Can you point to him?

Nope because God isn’t material, but his divinity is everywhere you point.

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 15:40

Blaueblumen · 17/04/2023 15:15

If you see the universe as eternal, there is no Big Bang.

So those of you who believe in God do not think the Big Bang Theory is correct?

Shared This elsewhere but it’s a good indication of some of the thoughts round this matter - obviously the origins of this predate the scientific big bang theory

36 Days of Judaic Myth: Day 3, The Shattered Vessels

To celebrate the October 13th release of my forthcoming debut novel, King of Shards, I will be featuring one new blog entry a day about a different Judaic myth for 36 days. Today's entry is on the Shattered Vessels.Day 3: The Shattered VesselsBefore ti...

https://www.matthewkressel.net/2015/09/10/36-days-of-judaic-myth-day-3-the-shattered-vessels/

IronLikeaLioninZion · 17/04/2023 15:50

Blaueblumen · 17/04/2023 12:04

For those of you who believe in God, I'd love to ask you this question:

Who or what actually created God?

Been done already -

www.mumsnet.com/talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/4610943-god-is-the-creator-so-who-created-god

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 16:15

QueenHippolyta · 17/04/2023 14:31

So interesting, we have a lot of crossover. Kabbalah, Hermeticism , astrology ( Hellenic for me), Jung and alchemy are so vital. He understood what happened to the West and what we need.

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Yes, it’s such a shame the western esoteric tradition has been so hidden, there’s so much there that would really help people.

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 16:25

Blaueblumen · 17/04/2023 14:15

So God created himself? From what? And for what purpose?

Well going back to Kabbalah - nothing or No- Thing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayin_and_Yesh

Ayin and Yesh - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayin_and_Yesh

Blaueblumen · 17/04/2023 16:28

Nope because God isn’t material, but his divinity is everywhere you point.

And how does he express his divinity? How do you see/hear/feel it?

I'm actually genuinely interested, but my inquisitive mind just needs more evidence.

QueenHippolyta · 17/04/2023 16:34

OMG12 · 17/04/2023 16:15

Yes, it’s such a shame the western esoteric tradition has been so hidden, there’s so much there that would really help people.

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Totally agree; it's coming out now. Now that I know you are a magical practitioner, do you know John Opsopaus' translations: because he's Bruce McLennan and all his material is the real thing. Scholarly.
Path of Cebes I think this will appeal to you and Gematria and other things here at Biblioteca Arcana : http://opsopaus.com/OM/BA/

Cebes' Path to Enlightenment

John Opsopaus' illustrated commentary on The Tablet of Cebes

http://opsopaus.com/cebes-path.html