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What is God supposed to save the monarch FROM exactly?

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PestoPasghetti · 12/09/2022 15:47

I'm confused by this! With shouts of 'God Save The Queen!' or 'God Save The King!' what are the well-wishers actually asking for? Save them from sinning? Surely that's messing with free will though? If God can stop us from sinning why doesn't he just do that for everybody? Or save them from death? But that's keeping them from Heaven which is meant to be a better place from earth isn't it, so therefore it's incredibly selfish to wish the monarch away from it?

What's your interpretation of the phrase?

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StillWeRise · 12/09/2022 15:49

the French perhaps?

Sandsnake · 12/09/2022 15:50

Scary dogs

headstone · 12/09/2022 15:50

I thought it was used in battle when the King would ride in with everyone else back in the day.

SurpriseSurprise · 12/09/2022 15:54

harm

wackamole · 12/09/2022 15:55

Traditionally, it's a plea from the people that the sovereign they know will stay; they want to protect the sovereign from everything. From fire or flood or famine or plague or murder or mayhem. It's not for the benefit of the sovereign, who traditionally would pass into the next world exhalted and carefree, but for the people who want their sovereign to stay so they can have continuity.

Chemenger · 12/09/2022 15:59

Early death? In which case God did a pretty good job with the queen.

DogInATent · 12/09/2022 16:09

Same shit religion is supposed to save us plebs from. Just posher.

Vincitveritas · 16/09/2022 12:21

Bit late to the party but...
According to the official Royal website:

'The British National Anthem in its present form dates back to the eighteenth century. The words and tune are anonymous, and may date back to the seventeenth century.
'God Save The King' was a patriotic song first publicly performed in London in 1745, which came to be known as the National Anthem at the beginning of the nineteenth century.
In September 1745 the 'Young Pretender' to the British Throne, Prince Charles Edward Stuart, defeated the army of King George II at Prestonpans, near Edinburgh.
In a fit of patriotic fervour after news of Prestonpans had reached London, the leader of the band at the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane, arranged 'God Save The King' for performance after a play. It was a tremendous success and was repeated nightly.
This practice soon spread to other theatres, and the custom of greeting monarchs with the song as he or she entered a place of public entertainment was thus established.
There is no authorised version of the National Anthem as the words are a matter of tradition. Additional verses have been added down the years, but these are rarely used.
The words used today are those sung in 1745, substituting 'Queen' for 'King' where appropriate. On official occasions, only the first verse is usually sung.'

The phrase "God save the King" was first used at King Edgar's coronation at Bath Abbey in 973. It originates from King Solomon's anointing and the Bible verses, "Zadok the priest took the horn of oil from the sacred tent and anointed Solomon. Then they sounded the trumpet and all the people shouted, “Long live King Solomon!” And all the people went up after him, playing pipes and rejoicing greatly, so that the ground shook with the sound." 1 Kings 1: 39-40. So the phrase "God save the King" (or Queen) is another way of asking God to protect the reigning monarch and grant them long life. It came from a time when people believed that God preordained monarchs to inherit the crown before birth and the 'divine right of kings'.
"God save the King" was also used as a watch word in the Navy during the reign of King Henry VIII to identify English ships.

Anon778833 · 16/09/2022 12:24

I wondered the exact same thing.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 16/09/2022 12:26

Back in the old days it was treason to even refer to the idea that kings would die and everyone was supposed to hope and wish that they would live forever. I think this is probably from that idea - god save the king/queen and preserve them indefinitely

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 16/09/2022 12:32

I have always thought it meant long live.

CaptainBarbosa · 16/09/2022 12:37

To bless them with long life I always though.

I mean it's the same when you sneeze and someone says "bless you" it's just stuck. We don't think you have the plague, or your soul has momentarily left your body and in the clutches of Satan anymore.

But it's stuck "bless you"

Whataretheodds · 16/09/2022 12:42

Standing on lego in bare feet

bbcdefg · 16/09/2022 12:43

Rebellious Scots.

FloorCushion · 16/09/2022 12:44

+2 protection against lycanthropy

Elfen · 16/09/2022 12:47

As a child when it was sung at school I just assumed it meant from herself, with rolled eyes, as in the phrase, "God help us!" because the royals were generally mentioned by adults as being a bit inbred and not very bright.

DogInATent · 16/09/2022 12:54

FloorCushion · 16/09/2022 12:44

+2 protection against lycanthropy

Handy, given the mysterious things that happen to military training exercises in the Highlands.

ThermoSpooklear · 16/09/2022 12:59

Death
The Welsh
The Scottish
Catholics
Porphyria
Sexy birds
Pleather
Chats about the 6 counties

listsandbudgets · 16/09/2022 13:03

When I was a child, I always used to assume it meant "God save the kingdom! but that "kingdom" was shortened as it didn't fit properly.

I assumed wrongly!!

Spudlet · 16/09/2022 13:07

ThermoSpooklear · 16/09/2022 12:59

Death
The Welsh
The Scottish
Catholics
Porphyria
Sexy birds
Pleather
Chats about the 6 counties

Awkward conversations about certain family members and their mates
Inheritance tax
Not getting the right quantities of salt and vinegar on their chippy tea

CaptainBarbosa · 16/09/2022 14:54

"The Welsh" 🤣 to be fair we gave up a long time ago!

Far easier to eat some cheese on toast and sing our troubles away lol.

Just keep sending the cheques from Westminster yeah? Lol

I'm joking by the way just incase someone missreads my tone.

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