Ukraine

[Buttercup54321]

Why has God allowed this war and all its suffering to happen.
Why doesn't HE stop it.

How would He stop the war and all the other atrocities that are happening all over the world

Obviously no one will be truly able to answer this but in my mind I think this is a man made tragedy. Human beings have screwed up this world not God. God will be crying with us about the war.
Again this is only how I see things - I am not an expert. I think that God doesn’t interfere with how humans are running this world, because if he did, where would he stop? All sin/wrong-doing is abhorrent to God. Obviously the big things but also the small things too - bullying, stealing, vandalism etc etc. How can God distinguish between the big sins and the little sins if he is truly just? He can’t - all sins are bad. So what does he do? Zap the really big sinners like Putin? What about the medium sinners? Or the little sinners? Where does he stop? Let’s face it we ALL do things wrong (well I do at least, despite trying not to!).
It would be a much nicer world if no one did anything wrong and we were all lovely to each other (like I imagine heaven will be like). To do this God would have to stop us all doing things wrong , perhaps by turning us all into little God worshipping robots. But this isn’t what God wants - he wants us to actively choose to do the right things in life. He also wants us to love him from out of our own free will.
We are his children - he knows we will make mistakes. He knows this as he experienced this through Jesus. He loves us so much he understands we will always do wrong things because we are only human. Because he loves us so much but is ultimately just, he doesn’t punish us for our wrong doings - he punishes himself. He took on all of our pain and our punishment/justice already by being crucified on the cross for us - a truly agonising death. He could easily not have been crucified but he actively chose to take our own pain.
I think God doesn’t intervene in this world anymore because he would basically have to intervene with everyone. Instead he teaches us how we should behave but leaves it to humans to make their own choices in life.
We have screwed up this world but he has all of eternity in heaven (for those of us who wish to join him there) to be together with us in love and happiness.
PS when I talk about everyone doing things wrong in this life I am obviously not talking about children. Jesus says in the Bible we should be like the little children who come to him.

I hope that helps. It is something I often wonder about and that is the answer I have come up with as I see things.

Because this world we live in wasn't created by a god. It was created by humans.

@MiniDaffodils

Obviously no one will be truly able to answer this but in my mind I think this is a man made tragedy. Human beings have screwed up this world not God. God will be crying with us about the war. Again this is only how I see things - I am not an expert. I think that God doesn’t interfere with how humans are running this world, because if he did, where would he stop? All sin/wrong-doing is abhorrent to God. Obviously the big things but also the small things too - bullying, stealing, vandalism etc etc. How can God distinguish between the big sins and the little sins if he is truly just? He can’t - all sins are bad. So what does he do? Zap the really big sinners like Putin? What about the medium sinners? Or the little sinners? Where does he stop? Let’s face it we ALL do things wrong (well I do at least, despite trying not to!). It would be a much nicer world if no one did anything wrong and we were all lovely to each other (like I imagine heaven will be like). To do this God would have to stop us all doing things wrong , perhaps by turning us all into little God worshipping robots. But this isn’t what God wants - he wants us to actively choose to do the right things in life. He also wants us to love him from out of our own free will. We are his children - he knows we will make mistakes. He knows this as he experienced this through Jesus. He loves us so much he understands we will always do wrong things because we are only human. Because he loves us so much but is ultimately just, he doesn’t punish us for our wrong doings - he punishes himself. He took on all of our pain and our punishment/justice already by being crucified on the cross for us - a truly agonising death. He could easily not have been crucified but he actively chose to take our own pain. I think God doesn’t intervene in this world anymore because he would basically have to intervene with everyone. Instead he teaches us how we should behave but leaves it to humans to make their own choices in life. We have screwed up this world but he has all of eternity in heaven (for those of us who wish to join him there) to be together with us in love and happiness. PS when I talk about everyone doing things wrong in this life I am obviously not talking about children. Jesus says in the Bible we should be like the little children who come to him.

I hope that helps. It is something I often wonder about and that is the answer I have come up with as I see things.

The people who caused this are not the same people who are suffering from it. You say that you don't include children but they are victims of this war too.

The nature of mass suffering is that it’s necessarily collective. We can either fall apart as humans, causing ecological and social problems like war, famine, poverty, epidemics, environmental degradation, pollution etc. Or we can all pull together in the same direction towards and inspired by divine love. Problems occur and cascade/metastasise when things get out of balance and we lose sight of the bigger picture, which is simply to love the all-ness of creation and each other. The grandiloquent human ego is the biggest impediment to that though 😒

As Christians we pray the Our Father. We pray that (when) thy kingdom come (then) thy will (will) be done on earth as is in heaven. I include the brackets to try and show we are not in heaven. One day we hope to live in God's perfect will but that day is not here yet.

It seems very clear to me that a battle against good and evil rages on earth and in every human heart. It was exactly the same in the bible. We have not moved on as much as we sometimes think but maybe moved on to new levels of brutality.

I firmly believe Good will triumph and that wars move the sweep of human history forward in a way that eventually brings good as well as bad.

Alternatively we are in the end times. That's got to happen eventually right?

I certainly hope we will all still be here in the distant future, probably all still doing unspeakable things to each other but also dragging hope and salvation from the ruins of what we leave behind.

First of all which god are you referring to? There are many.

You will not get answers to the worlds problems, or anything else, through Bronze Age belief systems.

Not a single war, in all known history has ended, due to the intervention of a supernatural being

Have you considered, that if god exists.

The other possible options might be

1. You are worshiping the wrong god
2. God is not all powerful/all knowing (If he was he would have known this was going to happen)
3. God has no particular special interest in humans

A theory is that Earth is hell and its only the deserving that move on from it.
I have a problem with the whole we are supposed to love God and God loves us, because it simply isn't true. If God loves us why would there be war, why would there be childhood cancer?

God gave humans free will. We are all free to choose good or evil. The Russians choose to murder their neighbours.
If God forced us all to behave the way He wants, we would just be clockwork robots.
Would you prefer a perfectly behaved doll, that meaninglessly repeats “I love you mummy” all the time, or your own exasperating, naughty, tantrum throwing toddler, who then says “I love you” and actually means it?
Well, it’s the same for God! He loves us all unconditionally, and suffered an agonising death for us, but He only wants our love in return if it is freely and willingly given. We can choose to reject His love, as atheists do.
Or we can choose to develop a relationship with Him through prayer, and try to make this world a better place by treating others the way God wants us to.

What @Babdoc said. It boils down to free will.

@NrlySp

What *@Babdoc* said. It boils down to free will.

What it boils down to is gods get out clause.

Assuming there is a god, how do we come to make our decision whether to sin or not;

• because of the influence of our environment?(which god created)
• because of genetics? (again, god)
• because of our innate soul? (again, given to us presumably by god)

Breaking it down what does free will even mean? If you are a good person it is by luck of genetics and environment, so why should you be rewarded for eternity, and why should someone born into a different life that led them down a dark path be punished? Imagine if you put one of your children in a failing school and another in a top private school, and then saying you're going to see who 'chooses' to do the best academically and reward them. Does that sound like a good parent?

The obvious conclusion is that there is no god, certainly not a benevolent one.