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New frontiers international

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notHarris · 05/09/2021 10:15

Hi! Bit of a long shot I suppose but I'm wondering if anybody is or was a member of a NFI church.
I was a member for about seven years and it was mainly a happy time. For some reason certain aspects are beginning to niggle me now that I've been away for a couple of years and I wondered what other people's experiences had been?

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Catinabeanbag · 06/09/2021 11:54

Wasn't a member of a church, but we (as a family) did go to the Downs Bible week when I was a kid (early 80s). The church we went to were 'sympathetic' to that whole movement.

ballroompink · 23/09/2021 11:52

People in my family are very involved in NF and have been since its early years. I have attended NF churches but ultimately stepped away as they were too theologically conservative for me and I especially don't agree with their stance on women in leadership. I think it's a very patriarchal boys club type of organisation.

PaperDreamsHoney · 27/10/2021 23:45

NFI might be the worst thing thst ever happened to me. Untrained and underqualified leaders, no accountability, no safeguarding, nepotism and hypocrisy everywhere.

dephlogisticated · 02/11/2021 17:36

Not a good experience here I'm afraid. I'm still working through it, mostly the morally conservative teachings around sex, homosexuality and women leaders. I'm much happier now in a very liberal Unitarian congregation! I wonder if your niggles arose for similar reasons? I was never comfortable and at times I still feel very emotional/ angry about my time in a NFI church.

motheroreily · 05/11/2021 17:47

Yes I am very similar experiences. I was bought up in an NFI church. I left about 20 years ago and couldn't imagine going back. I agree elders were untrained and I think it gave me a bad view of relationships ie that women should submit to men and sex outside marriage is wrong. I first heard someone talk about toxic masculinity a couple of years ago and that sums up my experience in NFI

ballroompink · 06/11/2021 08:43

Really interesting re: people's experiences of leaders. I know they have leadership training and elder training tracks but at the end of the day I've always felt it's just men promoting their mates and 'raising up' other blokes just like them rather than any meaningful sort of recruitment and formation going on.

Rachellow · 15/11/2021 07:24

Went to one during uni a few years ago! Not really a good experience and wish I’d left before I did. It was a commission church which is a branch of new frontiers. Was very much an attitude if you can’t speak in tongues etc, you’re not really a real Christian. Was a very cliquey atmosphere and only spoke to the pastor once on my last day. My small group was good as was worship but the attitude of people ended up giving me social anxiety centred around churches. I still feel fairly anxious going into my nice cofe church nearly 3 years later.

Sarahschild · 05/12/2021 03:01

My husband and I had a terrible experience with NFI.
We planted a church through them and we were absolutely hung out to dry when we did not comply to their ridiculous rules and ideas.
Took while to get over it but it’s good to remember that people are flawed and God is always good.
Not good for new Christians though.
It’s like, get them in and then abandon them.

Kayleigh12345 · 11/03/2023 20:58

I went to new frontiers international in London. The leader said if we weren’t giving 10% of our money to the church we were robbing god. It was inferred god would be angry with us. If we give money then we will be blessed. This is the prosperity gospel.

A couple were presented on stage who gave their tithe and said they couldn’t afford to pay it as that would mean not paying their rent. After paying their tithe - their friends put money in their account to pay their rent. The message is to give your tithe even if you can’t pay your rent. It is irresponsible and manipulative.

I was a full time student and asked my home group what I should do as I had a part time admin job and I was self financed and I would go into my overdraft if I paid 10%. The home group leader was upset with me and told me in front of the group I had to pay 10% and I was treated like a criminal.

That is not love. A lot of people are well off there. They can afford to tithe. Jesus didn’t demand money from people. In the bible it says be wary of leaders trying to get money from you.
Do not give under compulsion.

At a leaders conference in Brighton, we had to pay for the tickets and at the end, the founder of the church said we have to get up row by row and dance in a train and give money to the front. He said the band would play music and we have to dance as God loves a cheerful giver. I felt it was cultish. I had no choice but to give as everyone was watching, dancing and we had to get up row by row and I was young and vulnerable. There was a big bag of money and cheques at the front.

Their pastor salaries are high. You can check on Charities Commission.
I think the founder has 5 children. It looks like the leader in London is on £80k-£90k from the accounts.

The poor are exploited and manipulated to feel guilty and to give more than they can afford. That is not what Jesus taught. That is not love.

Kentishman3 · 03/12/2023 14:10

Endless false prophecies did much damage. They teach replacement theology. Awful church.

IanGd · 14/11/2024 23:08

My family were kicked out of a New Frontiers church for supporting Israel. The Pastor told us at the induction to membership that if we believed that God still loved Israel, we should find another church. He then spoke to us after the service loudly enough for people to hear that 'I thought I told you, you weren't welcome at this church?" He then went to the Sunday school and told my young children that he had told their parents that their family wasn't welcome at his church. Total anti-semite. I later learned that it's a doctrine of the church from a relative of the original church leaders/founders. Their view is that the Israel of the Bible has been replaced by The Church. Unbiblical theology and a perversion of truth. I think that leader was kicked out anyway as he was warned but continued to bully people as I understand it. But, he was probably just too heavy handed with us over what he knew was the church doctrine. People should be vary careful of setting themselves against the Jews, for 2,500 years, all those who went against the Jews have failed and their empires crumbled and are no more. Don't mess with those whom God loves!

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