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Muslim perspective needed please x

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Nadiasnails · 27/06/2021 20:24

There's a situation I'd like to ask about. My friend is a British white convert to Islam (twice divorced with a young child). I've know her for around 20 years so we understand each other quite well.
She's recently confided in me that she's fallen in love with a non-Muslim man. From what I know, he doesn't follow any religion but he's very respectful towards her being Muslim. In fairness to them, he sounds lovely and I know he treats her well.
She was married previously to 2 Arab guys who both treated her little rubbish and didn't respect her as a Muslim or as an kind of woman. This (non-Muslim) man sounds wonderful but my only concern for her is that he's not Muslim. She talks about a future with him and he doesn't pressure her to quit Islam or anything like that. In fact, he sounds very supportive - buys her halal food, encourages her to wear hijab and so on.
My friend's faith is strong but because of both traumatic marriages, she'd never marry another Muslim man.
There's no way he's open to embracing any sort of religion and she respects his position on this. He speaks well of Islam but isn't interested in adopting it.
Any advice? Please, no replies saying how "haram" the relationship is and how it's haram to fall for a non-Muslim. These kind of comments aren't helpful and I really want to support my friend.

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RickiTarr · 27/06/2021 20:28

Any advice? Please, no replies saying how "haram" the relationship is and how it's haram to fall for a non-Muslim. These kind of comments aren't helpful and I really want to support my friend.

Honestly what is the point in posting?

You want a religious point of view but please no religious points of view.

Despite the fact that the chap isn’t religious, you’re not Muslim and you’re not your friend. Really weird post.

Nadiasnails · 27/06/2021 20:32

@RickiTarr

Any advice? Please, no replies saying how "haram" the relationship is and how it's haram to fall for a non-Muslim. These kind of comments aren't helpful and I really want to support my friend.

Honestly what is the point in posting?

You want a religious point of view but please no religious points of view.

Despite the fact that the chap isn’t religious, you’re not Muslim and you’re not your friend. Really weird post.

For what it's worth I AM Muslim :) But I didn't feel whether it would be helpful to mention that in the post or not because the post is primarily about my friend.
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RickiTarr · 27/06/2021 20:41

Well what do you think then?

The thing is with any religion, you’ll get a range of levels of adherence from moderate to very strict, and so friends, community, religious leaders and your own conscience have to be a better guide than a straw poll online.

I’m worried you’re going to attract some bigotry here for very little gain.

custardbear · 27/06/2021 21:20

Can they not just date - does he have to follow the religion? If so I'd be questioning my own faith to be honest

bathsh3ba · 28/06/2021 08:21

I'm not Muslim, I'm Christian, but given the similarities between the religions, surely the best answer is to pray and seek guidance about it? There are many things in the Bible that can be interpreted in different ways and I assume that is also true for the Qu'raan. (Hope I spelt that right, no offence intended if not.) Different people will interpret what it says about marriage and dating and sex in different ways but God will reveal the truth for her situation.

For example I would not date someone who didn't share my faith for many reasons, both practical and spiritual. But I have friends married to and/or dating agnostics and atheists and that's between them and God...

mumwon · 28/06/2021 08:47

Where do you both live op?
If in the UK I would say that she had bad luck with her previous husbands regardless of their religion - & some Christian men (as mn can witness on here) can be nasty to their wives) its bad luck &/or not knowing or seeing evidence before you marry someone ( & I am most definitely not victim blaming). Men can be good or bad regardless of background or religion.
However, dmil (a very traditional Muslim lady) once suggested that when my dd grew up we should find their husbands in UK (she was talking about arranged marriages - we didn't take this idea up!) her point was about different cultural expectations in countries even within religion. DH & his brothers & most (!) of my bil are good men who put their wives & families first - maybe some have older style ideas of husband & wife's role (not dh!).
Re new husband - does he drink & is he willing to give up completely? Is she likely to have children -because that can be the big crunch re religious upbringing. & what about halal meat versus non halal in the household? Will he be willing to support her fasting & prayer?
After 2 bad marriages regardless of religion I think anyone would need/want to be cautious about who they marry.
I hope all goes well for her

TruelyonelastSchlep · 04/07/2021 04:33

Not Muslim but have Muslim friends. I think here in the UK unless she is in a very closed community the situation is this:

As she has been previously married nobody will be to bother about another marriage to a non Muslim

However they will believe as her husband is non Muslim that she will not make it to heaven when she dies.

BosseFave · 06/07/2021 20:44

Hi, I'm not Muslim but grew up in a majority Muslim country which is by Muslim standards very progressive (you can probably guess which it is). It depends on how your friend sees religion and how important it is to her life. Is she focusing on the philosophical and spiritual side of Islam or is she following it by "the book", meaning taking every rule literally, observing all the various customs? I think going by the book, marrying to a non Muslim is not encouraged let's say. Though Koran acknowledges abrahamic religions, holy figures, commandments and sees itself as the "purer" upgrade so there's commonality to focus on. However, where I'm from, very few people care about the nonmarriage rule.. . Have so many friends in 2-religion marriages and they mostly make fun of each other's habits. E.g. You are missing out on this amazing pork chop! Ok I'll have a chop when you're circumcised you! Etc.

If he supports her way of life, and it doesn't clash, what's the issue? On the other hand, if she'll complain when he goes to the pub, or he complains when she's fasting then there might be a problem... What religion would their kids be? It's worth having an honest conversation with examples..

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