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Any Witches Here? Part 14.

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speakout · 08/04/2021 12:18

Or Wiccans. or Pagans? Or anyone who is interested in a magical path or feels some magical stirrings.

A place for support, learning, swapping ideas and magical inspiration.

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Ogress · 17/04/2021 16:51

Enjoyed reading about your days, @HillsBesideTheSea and @speakout.

Does anyone have any recommendations for books/online resources around the wheel of the year? I have read quite a few books the years, but I'd like some new inspiration.

I've spent a year being insular and feeling like time is either going to fast or too slow. I really want to reconnect with feeling like part of the world and its cycles, and to appreciate and mark the passage of the year properly.

Aerwyna · 17/04/2021 17:11

What a beautiful way to spend your birthday speakout and your connection with Beatrix is the stuff of the goddess. I love it that there’s wildlife in her garden. Enjoy the rest of your special day! Flowers Cake

Aerwyna · 17/04/2021 17:17

Hills your study setting sounds perfect! Deer are such beautiful creatures aren’t they, I love it when I see them

Ogress I know there’s lots of books that talk about the wheel of the year, varying perspectives, I haven’t read any for a while but will have a think. Like many of us here I find visiting a favourite wild place throughout the year and noticing the changes really helps me tune in too.

hilariousnamehere · 17/04/2021 18:48

Happy birthday speakout, what a beautiful way to spend it!

speakout · 17/04/2021 19:03

Thankyou Aerwyna Badgers and deer are so full of magnificence. Like all creatures.

And I agree the best marker of time is to look at the natural world. Sometimes slowing our pace so we can really see.
It can be important and joyful to connect with festivals too, I am mindful of not having definitive resources though. Far better to cast your net far and glean the treasures for yourself.
Next big mark is Beltane. It is huge in my city normally 50,000 people attending torch processions, crowning of the May queen, naked fire dancing, drumming, music, earthy. Again not his year.
Still good to mark the turnings though.

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speakout · 17/04/2021 19:11

hilariousnamehere

Thank you.

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VioletCharlotte · 17/04/2021 19:39

Happy Birthday Speakout, sounds like you had a fabulous day.

Aerwyna thank you, I'm determined to get down to the coast this week, the weather looks like it's going to be good, so I'm hoping to go for a swim too, you and Moregarlic have inspired me! I hope you have a lovely evening with friends. It's so nice to have a bit of freedom again isn't it?

Ogress like others, I love being outside and watching the subtle changes as the wheel turns. I feel this is the best way to really be in tune with nature. There's a wealth of information online if you want to read up about different traditions and rituals. I tend to fall down a rabbit hole for hours once I start to google!

I'm loving all the positive, spring like energy here today! I had a lovely morning at the gym, workout and a long swim, followed by a coffee in the sunshine. I popped into town afterwards, it was so uplifting to see so many people out and about. The market was bustling and the buskers were making their music in the sunshine. Simple pleasures that we used to just take for granted.

HillsBesideTheSea · 17/04/2021 21:24

There are quite a few books on the wheel of the year @Ogress I have walking the tides by Nigel Pearson
One of the modern ones which seems quite popular atm is Year of the witch by temperance Aldern (I have not read this one)

Tbh i find a lot of books cover this aspect as they have a wiccan aspect to which this is a component. I don't resonate with the sabbats etc so don't really connect with the wheel as it is popularly portrayed. I like in book (sorry not sure which, it might have been pearson it might not have been) which suggests that you focus on what each season means to you, what is local to you etc. And for me that is more what i resonate with. Plough sunday being in January makes far more sense to me timing wise with preparations of the land than the more traditional wheel celebration (name escapes me sorry) which occurs later. Fields are already prepped and some cases the seed sown in a number of cases by that point.

Also if you are not in the UK then some of the books like pearson will not make sense to you. If you are deep in snow til easter then anything that celebrates the greening up will seem out of place. It is something that I ponder on regularly. The wheel of the year as it is celebrated vs the more traditional things like molly dancing, well dressings, straw bears, cheese rolling etc It is an interesting thing to explore imo. Good luck and I hope you enjoy the process.

HillsBesideTheSea · 17/04/2021 21:31

Speakout Rose Queen festivals were big in this part of the world once too. Although i have no idea whether they are still held in non covid times nor if they will be held this time of year.

VioletCharlotte I also fall into google search wormholes when I start to research. they can be so interesting and so much fun.

TotoAnnihiliation · 17/04/2021 23:22

Happy birthday @speakout a blessed day to you.

I had a little bit of a magic experience this morning, in a none conventional way. There were a couple of musicians in town whilst I took the little one shoe shopping. I asked them to play a song for the little one and they did baby shark. I actually felt the immediate area lighten up as people smiled and the children laughed.

Delphinium20 · 18/04/2021 07:04

Blessed birthday, @speakout I hope you know how much we all appreciated your magic on this group.

@VioletCharlotte @Aerwyna and others...I read the Owl Babies to my DDs too...I love knowing we can all share similar memories of precious moments with children.

Lighting candles tonight in honor of all you-thanks for making these online connections.

speakout · 18/04/2021 07:15

Thank you for the birthday wishes.

I am enjoying the light uplifting energy on the thread here, it is ggod to hear of those enjoying the lifting of lockdown. We are still under strict measures here, but hopefully that may change in a few weeks.
HillsBesideTheSea your comments are interesting especially as you say you don't celebrate sabbats.
Do you celebrate christmas or Yule? Easter? You mention molly dancing, well dressings, straw bears, cheese rolling, I am not familiar with these traditions, but I live in the Celtic fringe, I am guessing these are more Anglo Saxon based traditions?
I understand your thoughts about snow in Easter- not uncommon where I live, but much of the growth and movement of life is based on light, not temperature. Plants, trees, growth, budding, bird migrations etc. are stimulated by light.
We cant deny the solstice or the equinox, and these massive year wheel turnings happen no matter what the weather.

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Aerwyna · 18/04/2021 12:48

Interesting discussion about how we relate to the wheel of the year.
Where I live now (and have for most of my adult life) has its local traditions based more in Celtic tradition the area I’m from is probably more Anglo Saxon in influence. Of course Christian ‘culture’ has done it’s best to stamp out both!

Like many areas there are Beltane themed traditions still alive and well nearby. Mayday celebrations, crowning of the may queen, gathering flowers on Beltane, using morning dew to wash in the following morning and so on. I absolutely love watching videos of the Edinburgh Beltane celebrations when it happens. Such fabulous fire energy! I’m going to look up some of the traditions you mentioned too Hills

I love finding out more about the history of such traditions , although I’m aware that much of this history isn’t written down. I know Ronald Hutton talks about this and the way in which we take clues from the medieval practices we know of in Stations of the Sun www.abebooks.co.uk/Stations-Sun-Ronald-Hutton-OUP-Oxford/20915067979/bd

I don’t know if that might interest you Ogress? Just another idea in the mix!

I love the way us humans are drawn to mark the turn of the wheel, feel more whole for finding ways to tune into it. We’re animals after all! Just as the birds are drawn to nest and hibernating animals rest in the colder months, we have our rhythms too.

I enjoy the quirks of traditions with their roots in the old ways, the feeling of connecting with ancestors as we practice ourselves, feeling more in tune with the seasons and elements as we do. Something about harnessing the natural energy around us, working with it.

I think it’s a really pertinent point you make about the markers of the year being about light rather than weather speakout, makes a lot of sense. The solstices and equinoxes always feel particularly powerful to me.

I don’t engage in group or specific tradition focused rituals or ceremonies around the sabbats but I love to hear about them from people who do. Endlessly fascinating.

I’m planning on using Beltane to embrace fire energy, reflect on what’s fertile in my life, what I can grow between then and the zenith of the solstice

HillsBesideTheSea · 18/04/2021 13:24

Happy birthday Speakout

There is a lot of unpick from my post and your question so forgive me in that this is likely to be long.

In terms of the timings etc I was thinking the more regional differences even within the UK where the planting is done much closer to Christmas than Easter, but also the differences that occur between nations. Canada it just wouldn't feel the same in the timing (you can't plant a field when it is under 6ft of snow) and yet they still use the same wheel, ditto re Australia where the issue is do you celebrate according to date because that is what a good chunk of the work is doing or do you celebrate with your stage of season.

I have a complicated history with holidays and high days. And not a fan of them. Despite having grown up in the Christian traditions where all 4 advent sundays were marked, and palm sunday, and easter. These days for compliance and compromise with other people only Christmas and Easter are marked. I need at some point to find my own way with holidays and high days. I have not celebrated that Sabbats because of that complicated history, and because doing so would lead to an additional level of complication here. So i guess that is why I give the matter great thought.

The fact that the wheel turns is not something that I will deny, i just don't relate to the way that the wicca wheel that is most commonly used celebrations wise falls. It just seems a little out of sync, a little not quite to my inner connection. I do have a strong Norse connection so that might be a little that plays into it and is something I am in the process of researching. But it does require some deep deep research to get to the old traditions and it has very much been westernised in it holiday traditions. Easter in Norway was a different beast to the UK but that might be the difference btwn methodist/baptist vs lutherin.

There are a lot of folk traditions around the UK that you would not know if you were not local, or it didn't happen to be on the News. I caught the cheese rolling the year when they had an unfortunate severe injury that made the news. Molly dancing because they were at an event with many other types of dancers (like morris). Well dressings because they were something we were taken to. England has a very very rich cultural background if you know to look for it. And a lot of it is very fascinating.
The theme of water comes up in so many traditions in so many ways that it is something that is also on my at some point to look into list. The blessing of the well for good health etc it is a fascinating concept, especially if you know the History of the plague village Eyam where food was left by wells/springs where the villages left payment in the water so it was cleansed from contamination by the time it was collected.

I do note the equinoxes and the solstices but don't really celebrate them, if that makes sense. Knowing they exist and appreciating the fact that they do is very different to celebrating. In my mind, the celebrating would require a deliberate step of acknowledging their existance more that being grateful that the days were now getting lighter, or that now the harvest is coming and i should be ready to undertake preservation work.

So i do a lot of thinking. My wheel of the year will probably not end up looking like the traditional wicca one with the 8 shabbats. But that is ok. However, i do need to work out what it will take the form of. And it is on that matter that I am doing a lot of thinking. Seasons change, but how we mark them can be so different based on locality, traditions, religions, and connectivity. I know what each season means to me. I know that in the autumn I will probably gain a collection of conkers (and if i can find them acorns), in the winter I will walk and take solice in the winter weather, in the spring I will enjoy the new life, and in the summer I will work to provide abundance later in season. But I think there is also more to that, just what that is something I am figuring out.

Sorry that is a bit rambling. Hopefully there is some sense in there.

HillsBesideTheSea · 18/04/2021 13:32

Aerwyna I have friends that live on the equator so their daylight hours never change, just the weather. Rainy season. Dry season. So it throws another dynamic into the mix. Sometimes I wonder if the multi-culturalism that I enjoy influences my approach to things that would otherwise not have been influenced in times past.

I have list of a number of other traditions some where there is a whole heap of the different dancing style traditions from the black country through to the highlands. Each being specific regionally, and each having some interesting history in the times that it was practised. It is a fascinating deep dive. And one that i never completed, although goodness knows where i put those research notes. HmmBlush

BilboBercow · 18/04/2021 13:43

Baby witch checking in! It's funny now I'm starting to recognise what to look for I've clocked another couple of people who are practicing in at least some way in my very working class West of Scotland town.

TotoAnnihiliation · 18/04/2021 17:12

Ladies, please can I ask for some help?

I had a snooty email from my manager, I'm now apprehensive about going to work tomorrow. I asked the runes for some guidance. From what I interpret - it might start put as a dark day tomorrow, I've get to let go of some past ideas, I need to listen to my manager to form a cohesive working relationship but maintain true to myself. If I am able to do this I should see my work being successful.

I was in tears as I pulled the runes out, the last one forced itself out the bag.

I would be happy to take some guidance from others. It's only my 5th time using the runes and I had to refer to the book. Thank you.

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speakout · 18/04/2021 18:45

HillsBesideTheSea Thank you.

Interesting points about the wheel of the year.
Although strictly not Wiccan- a relatively modern concept - and archaeological evidence shows us that the points of solstice and equinox have been important at least for six thousand years.
We as Northern people living in Northern places do have tangible ways of watching our seasons turn.
I totally agree that makes no sense in other parts of the world.
But other lands have their own systems which- in my view - tap into the same primal forces.
I have spent a great deal of time in SE Asia, countries which have very different climatic systems, often constant daylight times and temperature.
But they still recognise patterns of growth and dormancy. Tied to climate, monsoons and dry seasons. Trees and shrubs will have seasons, time to fruit, time to flower, time for rest.
The patterns may not be obvious to our Western eyes, but they do exist. And people are very tied in to the animism, spirit of animals, trees, sacred spaces, rivers and hills.
Although white immigrants to Australia hold on to an Easter in Autumn, the first nation people are finely tuned to their own sense of place and their land. And again not so different to our ancient understanding.

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Ogress · 18/04/2021 19:44

Thanks for the book recommendation and links, I'll check those out. I should have specified I was in the UK (that was one of the things that prompted me to ask the question here, since I'd just bought a promising looking book on the subject only to find that the author lives in New Orleans and obviously experiences a verrrrry different seasonal cycle to me).

I appreciate the advice to go out in nature and just follow the wheel that way, but I have been doing that for a long time and lockdown has made many of my favourite places, practices and patterns a bit stale - as well as my mindset being rather detached and introverted. Hence craving some new ideas and inspiration.

speakout · 18/04/2021 19:55

TotoAnnihiliation I am sorry, I don't work with runes. I hope someone comes along to help you soon.

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speakout · 18/04/2021 20:00

Ogress

I understand what you are saying. I think magical enthusiasm does. come in ebbs and troughs.
It does no harm to set things aside for a while natural energy can muster itself, or maybe watch some videos or listen to podcasts.
There are some amazing witches on youtube, full of juicy inspiration.
And enchantment can manifest in the simplest and most mundane. us laundry witches will testify to that!!

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Aerwyna · 18/04/2021 20:52

Ogress I can relate to that detached feeling, I’m naturally very introverted and can end up disconnected quite easily. Wise words from speakout I think about sidestepping sometimes when we feel stuck somewhere. I know if I can find inspiration somewhere else then it’ll eventually filter through where I need it.

TotoAnnihiliation I don’t read runes either but for what it’s worth your interpretation feels intuitive and wise. Any resolve to stay true to yourself will help you stand in your power which will serve you well. Amp up your aura in whatever way you can, wishing you all the best for tomorrow

BilboBercow Welcome. Always tea in the pot here and friendly faces to discuss all manner of magical subjects

Spiritwriter · 18/04/2021 23:04

Hi all, I've been laying close to my Self as finding the grief for my previous mum and beloved dog all too difficult in so many ways.
Needed to BE with my children.
And have been working, once again, on my personal discipline.
Looks like I've missed a lot of appropriate discussion, akin to what I have been meditating on. I'll need to read up soon.
I'm back round the fire, quietly, with tea.

Aerwyna · 19/04/2021 08:41

Good morning sisters, I know this has been shared before but I came across it again and wanted to share it. A reminder of female power and solidarity as we enter a new week

speakout · 19/04/2021 13:52

Spiritwriter

I am glad you stopped by for support and comfort.
Aerwyna a perfect anthem to start the week!!

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