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Arranging a Catholic Baptism - Am feeling very unwelcome at church :(

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twelveyeargap · 02/09/2007 21:34

Back at the start of August I rang our local church to ask about arranging a baptism for DD2, who was just gone 2 months old at the time. We moved into the parish in Jan, and although I'm not a church regular, I have been to mass and since Easter have been going more often.

I was put through to the catechist co-ordinator, who firstly grilled me on what part of my road I lived on, to make sure I was really in the parish boundaries; somewhat like trying to get on a GP's list really. She then told me to see her after mass the following Sunday to fill in the form for new parishioners and then we'd talk about baptism.

She asked me to bring back the form the following week, but since I was away for the next two Sundays and she the Sunday after, I asked her could I fill it in there and then so we could get started. She gave me a booklet about Godparents and another form and told me to give her the second form the next time I saw her. Asked if I could fill in that form straight away, given the timing of holidays, but she insisted I take it away. She told me there was a pre-baptism course we needed to do (fine), before we booked a date (ok), but that she didn't know when the next course would be (unhelpful), but that there was usually one a month. Wasn't here last weekend so was up at 8.30 mass this morning with the (short) form filled in and a copy of my baptism certificate and baby's birth certificate.

She chose that time to tell me that since they didn't know me in this parish, I would have to get a letter of introduction from my last parish. Told her that we've moved around a lot (7 addresses in 5 years) and that I only met the previous priest once or twice when I worked at the homeless shelter and that he might not remember me. (I'm not the sort who goes introducing myself after mass). She said that my other option was to wait 6 months until they knew me in this parish. So I'm really starting to feel at this stage like I'm being punished for not being devout enough and not making myself known at church. She then says that she'll "contact me about course dates after she gets the letter from Fr. So and So". Now if she'd told me I needed the letter four weeks ago, I could have had it waiting for her when she got back from holiday. That's just for starters. And if the last priest doesn't remember me, then if it wasn't for the fact that DH's dad is a Eucharistic minister and we're known in his parish (and can prob get some sort of "reference" from there), then I'd be rightly stuck. She's basically telling me that I've no right to have my baby baptised until she's 9 months old because I'm not known at the church.

As it is, she's said that she's not doing the pre-baptism course this month and it will likely be at the end of October. Well DD2 will already be 5 months by then. DH's sister, the Godmother, is due her baby at the start of November so it would be December before we could guarantee her attendance, which of course is Advent and a busy time at church.

I came home from mass today and cried my eyes out. I thought that the one place I'd feel welcome after moving to a new area would be at church and I feel like this woman is trying to test my faith when she has no right to do so. I'm trying to do the right thing and get my baby baptised and welcomed to the church and if I do things her way, then the child could be 9 months old before it happens. Even if DH's sister was free in November, that's still a whole 3 months I'm being asked to wait before I'm even allowed to book a date. And then, and only then, can I try to find a date that suits the Godparents and grandparents. I haven't even managed to drag out of this woman if the course is a day, a series of evenings over a number of weeks...

Is it just me? Am I being over-sensitive? I was baptised as an adult, in Ireland, and this woman knows this from the first form she made me fill in. I don't come from a Catholic family so I don't know "the drill". I don't even know if this is normal, but I think she could be helping and encouraging, instead of making me feel like I have to prove my worth.

My adult baptism, first confession and first communion didn't even take three months to complete... And the priest was delighted to have me. I'm so sad. I thought I'd be made to feel welcome at the church and I feel like I'm being shunned for not being a good enough Catholic.

The priest that married us in The City said at Christmas, when he saw I was pregnant, that he'd love to do the baptism. I only said I wanted to do it in our home parish so we could all be welcomed there together, given that we're new and now I feel like we're not wanted.

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cornsilk · 03/09/2007 10:03

The woman sounds like a power mad jobsworth. I would report her negative attitude. There are women like this in every church with too much time on their hands and a sense of superiority. They start out as church mums who sit at the front every week with their miserable kids and become the parish priests 'groupies.' We call them the 'god squad.'

themildmanneredjanitor · 03/09/2007 10:12

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Countingthegreyhairs · 03/09/2007 12:55

I'm even more outraged reading this thread again today. Totally agree with other comments - they SHOULD be rolling out the red carpet

lol cornsilk - why do those women ALWAYS sit at the front ...???

serin · 03/09/2007 22:42

Twelveyears, I feel so sorry for you, she obviously doesn't listen at Mass does she?

Best thing to do, forgive her, and say a prayer for her that she becomes a nicer person and hurts no one else.

God Bless.

mylastrolo · 03/09/2007 23:40

THis is shocking and dreadful and as for the priest's comment on don't do bodies in the church. I don't know there are some busy bodies and I was told i couldn't light a candle busy body women all busy blowing them out and clearing them away.

hope it all works out for and talking to the priest directly helps. Why should people like this get away with things. Give catholics a bad name we get enough bad press as it is

Countingthegreyhairs · 04/09/2007 15:15

Couldn't agree more MylastR

Tortington · 04/09/2007 15:28

if your last priest is as fabbo as you think he is - perhaps he will come to your house to do the baptism

doesn't have to be a church y-know

or a sunday

twelveyeargap · 04/09/2007 19:52

Well when your woman first spoke to me, she said, "well that's unless you'd like to do it at home" and I sez, "At home?", thinking she meant in my house and she goes, "yes, when you're at home in Ireland." (I'd mentioned that's where I was going the following week.)

Felt like saying I wouldn't have blinking phoned you if I intended to do it in Ireland!

At home in my house is a lovely idea - esp as she was born here. Wonder would he go for it...

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Tortington · 05/09/2007 09:32

maybe a bung £50 to the church roof fund

mylastrolo · 05/09/2007 10:07

custardo or you're first inquiry who do i have to see to organise my weekly donation!!???

maybe you'd get a different reception then

littlelapin · 05/09/2007 10:17

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KTeePee · 05/09/2007 10:37

In our parish they only ask you do do a pre-baptism course if it is your first child.... but don't know if it would be different if you had just moved into the parish.

We had all ours "done" back in Ireland. Much more relaxed about it there, no courses to do or interrogation. A friend who is (non-practising) Jewish (her dh is non-practising Catholic) had her ds baptised there. No questions asked.

But then the school thing isn't an issue in Ireland as most of the schools are catholic anyway...

mylastrolo · 05/09/2007 16:46

littlelapin that is a very i think northern irish thing to say i would say "your women" too if i didn't like them

twelveyeargap hope you get it sorted and have a lovely day.

mylastrolo · 07/09/2007 22:56

what has been the outcome then ?

twelveyeargap · 09/09/2007 13:40

Just been to mass and spoken to co-ordinator again, who told us that "Fr So and So" is very insistent on all the criteria (the letters of introduction etc) and that whilst we could approach another local parish to see if they had a pre-baptism course at a sooner date than end Oct, that she wasn't sure that the our parish priest would let us have the baptism in "our" church unless we'd done "our" course. So I have learned a lesson about jumping to conclusions (about the co-ordinator being deliberately awkward), but am still sad that we're being asked to prove ourselves in this way.

She possibly could have been a bit more upfront when I first contacted her, but perhaps she's trying not to put people off right from the start. I don't really know what to think.

Am going to write to the parish priest and explain how the "system" has made us feel unwelcome. As for the baptism; tomorrow I will phone the nice priest who married us and ask him if he'll do the ceremony for us.

Incidentally, I bumped into another Irish woman in a local cafe who asked me had I tried to book a baptism there. She'd had the same experience as she was also new to the parish and ended up having her child baptised in Ireland. It's not just me...

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twelveyeargap · 30/09/2007 14:19

Baptism is next week. It's being performed by the priest who married us, but in his "other" parish.

No course, no questions, no fuss. I had to write to my parish priest for "permission" and I made a couple of carefully worded (inoffensive) points in the letter.

I have since heard that some people in the parish are or have written to the bishop to say they're upset about the treatment of newcomers and the strict way the parish is run. Not sure of how accurate that info is, though.

Thanks for all your thoughts. TYG x

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mrsdarcy · 30/09/2007 14:37

So sorry to hear about this. Some of these women who reckon they "run" the parish are a menace.

Our DS1 was baptised at St Mary Moorfields . It's a lovely church.

twelveyeargap · 30/09/2007 18:16

To be fair, it became apparent that the parish priest is the problem in our parish, not the woman who has to do his bidding.

The priest from St Mary Moorfields has asked to do the ceremony at his other church, St Joseph's in Bunhill Row. I don't mind. It would be nice to go back to Moorfields as we were married there, but it's the ceremony that counts, not the location.

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frogs · 30/09/2007 18:40

Glad you've got it sorted out, 12yg.

Not all parishes are like that, though we went to Mass for the first time our local church we've moved into the parish, and ds now attends the attached school, but because we have strong ties to our other parish, I'm not quite ready to up sticks totally iyswim.

The priest couldn't have been more welcoming -- gave us a form to fill in with our family details, and said that we were welcome to get involved even if it wasn't going to be our main parish.

So I think you may have just been unlucky can't you find another church locally to attend? You don't actually have to live in the parish to be a member I know quite a few people in the same position as we are now who are living in a different parish to the one where they attend church for one reason or another, and no-one seems to mind.

Hope you have a lovely day!

twelveyeargap · 30/09/2007 22:21

Thanks Frogs. Believe it or not, you do have to live in this parish to "join officially". I was quizzed about which part of my road I lived on before I was allowed to fill in the form. Madness. But I know you're right; they're not all like this.

Really looking forward to Sunday now. It's going to be lovely.

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harrisey · 30/09/2007 22:24

Looking forward to hearing how it goes next week 12yg. Hope you all have a lovely day!

mylastrolo · 30/09/2007 22:38

glad you got it sorted have a lovely day.

Tommy · 30/09/2007 22:46

that's incedible 12yg!

I'v been going to my church for 35 years and have never lived in the parish!

twelveyeargap · 11/10/2007 09:25

Hello, hello.

Thank you for all your thoughts. The baptism was really lovely. The priest was so great and talked about how we were one of the first couples he married in the parish (I didn't know that) and how pleased he was that we'd asked him to baptise the baby. It really meant a lot.

Party went off well too, despite the cake being ready an hour late (not good when you have to get home, get changed and drive past Arsenal to get to the church) and most of the party food not showing up at M&S!

Was really great to have all friends and family round and the baby was SO good for the whole day.

Lovely priest had the water in the font warm so she didn't bat an eyelid when he poured it on her head. She just gazed adoringly at him!

Really, really pleased we decided to go there instead of messing about with the local church.

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SSSandy2 · 11/10/2007 09:42

Well done getting everything sorted. I would have done the same - gone to the nice priest who married you.

Woman sounds like a loon, like the church is some kind of an elite club not everyone can join or something.

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