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Stoicism and related philosophies

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Fannia · 28/12/2019 20:55

Anyone interested in Stoicism, either just as an interest or even a practice?

If you have not heard much about it the main attraction is their interesting approach to attaining happiness and tranquillity by using our reasoning abilities, whilst living a good life. These philosophies inspired modern day CBT therapy but adherents believe they are worth pursuing as a way of life, maybe with some adjustments for modern times.

Stoicism has been going through quite a revival in recent years, and there are a lot of interesting books about how to adopt it as a living philosophy today. Students of Stoicism are often interested in other ancient Greek and Roman philosophers, such as Socrates, Plato, The Cynics, Aristotle and Epicurius; and the philosophers who were inspired by them throughout history.

Popular writers on Modern Stoicism are Ryan Holliday, Donald Robertson, William Irvine and Massimo Pigliucci amongst others. Online you can find some great free resources.

Some MNers may have heard of modern Stoicism but been put off by its link to some of the men's movements (earning it the nickname 'Broicism'). It's true that all the famous ancient Stoic writers were men and it was a very sexist society they lived in, but they did believe women should be stoics, even then. Donald Robertson writes:

"We have several surviving lectures from the great Roman Stoic, Musonius Rufus, the teacher of Epictetus, including two on the role of women in philosophy entitled: That Women Too Should Study Philosophy
and Should Daughters Receive the Same Education as Sons? The Stoic doctrine in these lectures is clearly the same as Socrates’ position: girls should be taught philosophy as well as boys. "

I think more women will become interested in Stoicism and hopefully we will see more women writers on the subject, which may be more relatable to other women. Having said that the popular writers are all very good to read for anyone and in no way sexist.

Another related problem, perhaps because of the above mentioned link to men's movements, is that Stoicism has become linked with a focus on resilience training like cold baths and being tough physically. Whilst Stoics do think we should build resilience these extreme practices are not necessary. The focus should really be on the mind, and on attaining tranquillity and happiness. So don't be put off by that side of it.

I would love to hear from other people who may be interested and find out what you think, what you are reading and what you are doing yourself if you are practising.

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 12/01/2020 23:15

There's a woman's Stoic group on facebook. (I'm not on it, but I do follow a general Stoic group on fb and saw it mentioned.)

AutumnRose1 · 24/01/2020 17:19

I’ve got a book called the Daily Stoic. Due to my odd lifestyle, I don’t read it daily, but have found it useful so far.

I particularly like the concept of one day being the same as another. It makes me feel better about shit days.

I also really need to develop more, well, stoicism 😂 and it’s helping me with that.

I do want to develop toughness and resilience. The management company recently sent in a fire crew to reassess procedures in our building. One of the firefighters I spoke with told me she works out two hours a day before her 12 hour shift. I nearly asked for her phone number instead of calling 999, she’s who I want to rescue me 😂

But it really made me think, being physically tough is also very appealing to me. I think it probably helps with lots of things. It’s changed my attitude to training. I want to achieve a lot more now. So I’m taking a cold shower sometimes now!

speakout · 24/01/2020 17:46

Stoicism probably comes much more easily to women.
Having to give birth to and raise chidren.
Many men and women struggle to feed themselves in this world.

Having men induce "hardship" such as cold baths is an indication they live a pretty easy life.

I also think no two days are the same. Every day brings fresh opportunities, new challenges. Seasons change, people and circumstances change.

AutumnRose1 · 24/01/2020 17:58

speakout “ Having to give birth to and raise children.”

Well, luckily, no one has to do that now. I did take note of the speech in
Fleabag about women having pain built in, which I certainly did with periods, but then again, all sorts of people have health issues. My health was awful in my 20s and 30s and I couldn’t have considered I’d be doing stuff I do now.

I nearly put in a comment to say I might have found Stoicism bizarre if I’d tried to learn about it back then - but of course, it’s a given that any philosophy only becomes important when you’re okay for the basics - Maslow at work.

If I’d heard “one day is the same as another” when I was dragging myself to 5pm to pay bills, I’d have cried. Well, I did cry an awful lot back then!

Fannia · 29/01/2020 20:34

Thanks for all your replies and sorry I didn't get back to the thread earlier. I have been doing a lot of reading since my last post and learned quite a bit, so I enjoyed that, and trying to put some of it into practice - well that's harder! I do think Stoicism can seem a bit black and white and make you be hard on yourself if you approach it wrongly. I think you need to have an attitude of self acceptance with it. If you are going to accept your fate, you can accept yourself too, after all.
My next book to read is not specifically about Stoicism but it is by Donald Robertson this one is Build your Resilience. I found it in the library so thought i would give it a read as I like his Stoicism books. I also have Stoicism and Emotion by Margaret Graves but I have heard this one is quite a difficult book so I will have to see how I get on.

But it really made me think, being physically tough is also very appealing to me. I think it probably helps with lots of things. It’s changed my attitude to training. I want to achieve a lot more now. So I’m taking a cold shower sometimes now!

William Irvine explained his theory of building up resilience really well in his latest book The Stoic Challenge. It's basically improving your coping skills for when something happens, it just won't seem as bad if you are mentally and physically stronger and this also gives you confidence that you can manage situations so you will worry less.

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JaneDacre · 04/03/2020 10:00

I am interested in stoicism. I have about a dozen books in my Amazon basket, so I'd be grateful for some recommendations on where to begin reading.

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