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Why don't Christians celebrate Halloween

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Moominfan · 03/11/2019 13:11

Sincere question. Local church always throws a kids light party. Saw a woman post that this Halloween they will be celebrating Jesus because he's the light. Can you not both?

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Unshriven · 03/11/2019 13:13

In my experience, Catholics do.

My schools, family, and now the children's schools certainly do.

Evangelicals can be a bit anti, but then some were anti Hary Potter too. Hmm

IsadoraQuagmire · 03/11/2019 13:14

I do, I'm Catholic and love Halloween Smile

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 03/11/2019 13:15

Our vicar explained it that the devil uses ghosts/spirits to trick people and so anything to do with talking to spirits/celebrating them etc is actually communing with dark forces and is not something that the C of E condones.

This is basically a summing up of his sermon but gives the gist of what he was saying.

woodhill · 03/11/2019 13:16

it is associated it's darkness and the occult so some christians are not comfortable with it.

30under · 03/11/2019 13:18

As a Christian, I have no problem with traditional Halloween, or All Hallows Eve.
I really dislike the dressing up as axe murderers, zombies etc. That seems like celebrating evil.

Goldensummer · 03/11/2019 13:19

I imagine they think of it as worshipping "the devil" or something which is odd because Samhain is a wiccan/pagan festival and don't believe in the devil. The devil is a catholic/Christian belief.

AfterSchoolWorry · 03/11/2019 13:19

Maybe some don't. Catholics do though. Halloween is huge in Ireland. Mind you, we're probably more lapsed than Catholic!

parkrunhun · 03/11/2019 13:26

Lots of churches here holding 'celebrating the light' parties to try to replace all the Halloween fun!

Christian organisations taking fun activities repackaging them to suit their own needs - now where have I heard that before ?

Goldensummer · 03/11/2019 13:30

Very true! And trying to make out that Halloween/Samhain is evil. If they actually took the time to learn what it is actually about then maybe they'd see it is nothing to do with the devil!

stucknoue · 03/11/2019 13:37

We did, Vicar hosted the party. It's All Hallows' eve, a traditional Festival long before Americans got their hands on it

hiddenmnetter · 03/11/2019 14:20

Halloween as a celebration of the occult is overtly anti Christian but the origins of the festival are All saints Day Eve, which was part of the Christian cult of the dead (some Franciscan monasteries for instance display the skulls of dead friars to remind people that death is a part of life).

mostlydrinkstea · 03/11/2019 15:55

It's complicated. My impression is that many RC countries celebrate it so for example you have the day of the dead in South America. It was big in Southern Ireland and went over the Atlantic to America. It has come to England for the US. The festival of dressing up and going door to door on the 31st October is both recent and an import. There is a tradition in England and maybe Scotland of Guising which is track or treat but it was done by older boys and apprentices and the trick part could get quite nasty. That is the cultural part of it.

The Protestant churches in the UK can be quite suspicious of Halloween as it celebrates a festival that the reformation did away with. There is also a suspicion Halloween with its focus on ghosts, witches and demons is a way into the occult. That is why they put on light parties.

At my church we get involved, dress up and hand out sweets. It is great fun and most of the parents are from RC countries or the US. There aren't many UK families on the streets but that might be because my parish is just odd.

As a priest I do get callouts to deal with the aftereffects of people mucking around with the occult. As a result I have a sense of proportion about Halloween and small children having fun. I resist the temptation to tell stroppy teenagers my weirdest deliverance stories. You had to be there.....

emilybrontescorsett · 03/11/2019 16:00

My children went to a Church of England school and it wasn't celebrated.

MsPotterPepper · 03/11/2019 16:07

The festival of dressing up and going door to door on the 31st October is both recent and an import. There is a tradition in England and maybe Scotland of Guising

Maybe Scotland?Hmm

And no, the dressing up is not an import ffs.

Do you actually know anything of the subject?

blue25 · 03/11/2019 16:09

Self explanatory surely??

lljkk · 03/11/2019 16:16

Only when I came to Britain did I find out that some Christians loathe celebrating Halloween. I have evangelical Born Again Christians in my extended family who celebrate Halloween.

Partly coz our version of Halloween is not just creeps & spiritis & ghouls. We turn up dressed like a ship captain, a pumpkin a ballerina or SpongeBob or anything really. It's a fancy dress party, not only about occult.

mostlydrinkstea · 03/11/2019 16:20

Yes I do know something about the subject in England. Not Scotland which is why I said maybe. Ronald Hutton's The Stations of the Sun is excellent on the subject.

june2007 · 03/11/2019 16:21

There are many reasons, and it depends on you take on Christianity. Here a re some. 1) it was based on a pagan festival. So so not primarily Christian anyway. 2) Some Pagans follow wica ad try to cast spells or believe they can call on gods/spirits for power but if it is not the God as in Jehovah that they are calling on then it is against god.
3 And this is actually my beef that Halloween these days for the majority has nothing to do with all saints day or the pagan festival. The costumes seem to celebrate horror and evil and really is quite dark. I have no probs with a Halloween parties with bob apple and dressing up as a mummy, but some costumes and images you see I think are totally disgusting and not something I want to celebrate. Hence why churches feel the need to have light parties to celebrate gods light in the darkness.

EdithWeston · 03/11/2019 16:27

Some of them do.

The very name is a Christian one (Eve of All Hallows, so named in reference to All Saints Day), as is the idea that the powers of evil find it easier to break through as the eve is the time when the protective power of saints is at its weakest.

Pumpkins are descended from pagan harvest festival (Christian one is considerable earlier, and definitely separate), and there are other 'Day of the Dead' type festivals around the globe (notably in China as well as South America), so it's a very common theme across many cultures and religions

Goldensummer · 03/11/2019 17:34

This is what Samhain means. Nothing to do with the church in its origins.

"Samhain is a time to remember those who have passed on, celebrate the Summers end and prepare for Winter months ahead. The Sun God and earth fall into slumber, as the nights lengthen and winter begins.
Samhain, (pronounced SOW-in, SAH-vin, or SAM-hayne) means "End of Summer", and is the third and final Harvest. The dark winter half of the year commences on this Sabbat.
Various other names for this Greater Sabbat are Third Harvest, Samana, Day of the Dead, Old Hallowmas (Scottish/Celtic), Vigil of Saman, Shadowfest (Strega), and Samhuinn. Also known as All Hallow's Eve, (that day actually falls on November 7th), and Martinmas (that is celebrated November 11th), Samhain is now generally considered the Witch's New Year.
It is generally celebrated on October 31st, but some traditions prefer November 1st.It is one of the two "spirit-nights" each year, the other being Beltane. It is a magical interval when the mundane laws of time and space are temporarily suspended, and the Thin Veil between the worlds is lifted. Communicating with ancestors and departed loved ones is easy at this time, for they journey through this world on their way to the Summerlands.
It is a time to study the Dark Mysteries and honor the Dark Mother and the Dark Father, symbolized by the Crone and her aged Consort. Tradition also teaches that the aid of spirits and guides from the other world was easily enlisted at this time, so in the increasing moonlight of longer nights, many used this time to hone their psychic and divinatory skills, especially with regard to love and marriage.
Originally known as the "Feast of the Dead" this sabbat was celebrated in Celtic countries by leaving food offerings on altars and doorsteps for the "wandering dead".Today a lot of practitioners still carry out that tradition. Single candles were lit and left in a window to help guide the spirits of ancestors and loved ones home. Extra chairs were set to the table and around the hearth for the unseen guest. Apples were buried along roadsides and paths for spirits who were lost or had no descendants to provide for them. Turnips were hollowed out and carved to look like protective spirits, for this was a night of magic and chaos.
The Wee Folke became very active, pulling pranks on unsuspecting humans. Traveling after dark was was not advised. People dressed in white (like ghosts), wore disguises made of straw, or dressed as the opposite gender in order to fool the Nature spirits.
The Christian religion has adopted this day as All Saints Day, or All Hallows Day, celebrating the eve as All Hallows Eve, or Halloween. The superstition and misconception linked to this celebration by the early church, led people to take some unusual precautions to protect themselves. They adopted the tradition of dressing in frightening costumes or disguises, and displaying scary looking Jack-O-Lanterns to help protect them from spirits they considered to be evil. In the British Isles, the young people would disguise themselves with hideous masks and walk through the village, lighting their way with lanterns made from carved turnips.

This was also the time that the cattle and other livestock were slaughtered for eating in the ensuing winter months. Any crops still in the field on Samhain were considered taboo, and left as offerings to the Nature spirits. Bonfires were built, (originally called bone-fires, for after feasting, the bones were thrown in the fire as offerings for healthy and plentiful livestock in the New Year) and stones were marked with peoples names. Then they were thrown into the fire, to be retrieved in the morning. The condition of the retrieved stone foretold of that person's fortune in the coming year. Hearth fires were also lit from the village bonfire to ensure unity, and the ashes were spread over the harvested fields to protect and bless the land. "

Moominfan · 03/11/2019 17:43

Self explanatory surely??

No, I would be asking otherwise 🤷🏾‍♀️

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CherryPavlova · 03/11/2019 17:45

It’s that whole thing about stereotyping and assumptions. Some Christians actively dislike Halloween and others light up their houses in Orange.

Goldensummer · 03/11/2019 18:01

OP, much like Christmas, Halloween has evolved over the years and people celebrate it in their own way, even if it's only loosely based on it's origins.

IceCreamConewithaflake · 03/11/2019 22:46

There are differing degrees of everything, including Christianity and atheism.

Some Christians see the message behind
Halloween as dark and sinister and celebrating the evil in this world, other Christians see it as fun and an old UK tradition and a change to be with friends, other Christians might see Halloween as scaring off evil things.

There is no right or wrong. It's down to the individual.

I am a Christian and I don't mind Haloween, I have been trick or treating with my kids. However as time has gone on I feel more awkward with the whole knocking on people's doors and asking them to give my kids loads of sweets. Instead I have started to graduate to my church's light party as it's a more positive experience- funny games such as finding glow in the dark items and party food.

FlamingoAndJohn · 03/11/2019 22:53

I teach in a C of E school.
We are not allowed to mention it at all.

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