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Cancelling a baptism?

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oxcat1 · 07/10/2018 18:42

I wonder if somebody could get me some way of understanding and then forgiving the actions of my DF? I have changed a few details to try to prevent this being too revealing.

Last year my sister had a baby, and it was agreed that the baby would be baptised at my dad's local church. He and his wife are active members of the congregation and attend most Sundays; they also got married there, a grandparent's funeral was held there, and a few other nieces and nephews were also baptised there. My dad made some of the initial arrangements with the vicar, but then my sister and family travelled there several times to talk it all through and become familiar to the congregation etc.

This summer, my dad had a huge argument with my sister. I wasn't there, but it sounds as though a lot of pent-up anxieties were unleashed by my stepmum, and over 20 years worth of 'wrongs' were recalled and revisited. I should add a disclaimer here that I am low-contact with my dad because of facing similar onslaughts, so although I wasn't there, I have no reason to disbelieve my sister's account of the argument. In any case, the argument is not my question here.

As soon as he could following the argument, my dad went straight to the vicar at the church, and without any further discussion, he cancelled the child's baptism. My sister found out later, by which time the whole thing had been cancelled and the vicar informed.

I am struggling enormously with this. Disregarding the argument with my sister, how can I begin to understand my dad's actions? Why would an active member of a church congregation take it upon themselves to prevent a child - their grandchild - joining the family of God, particularly when they are totally innocent of anything?

My sister and family are no longer speaking to my dad, and the baby will be baptised elsewhere when it can be arranged. How can I understand and then forgive my dad's actions though? Personally, I am not a great fan of infant baptism, but I cannot understand how or why somebody who claims this to be incredibly important would deny it to their own grandchild? The baby had no part in the argument, and no role in his displeasure. I need to have some understanding so that I can maintain some relationship with my dad, but I am really struggling. The more I think about it, the more difficult I find it to move past this: why would you deny your grandchild access to the faith that you claim is so important to you because of an argument with their parent?

Is anybody able to offer any help with this? Can you think why it would be done, other than in petty fury? But to use your faith to punish others, via a child, seems something else?

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speakout · 07/10/2018 19:03

The child is hardly "being punished".

The baptism will have no impact on the child, so a bit of gaslighting here. You say you are not a fan of child baptism anyway so why does that matter?

The feuds is between the adults.

The child does not know or care.

PurpleAndTurquoise · 07/10/2018 21:58

Can your sister find a church more local to her and get her baby baptised there if she wishes to go ahead with the baptism?
Obviously no one here on the internet can understand the full story or what really went on. No one is perfect.
They do say in the same way hospitals are for the sick, that churches are for the sinners. Jesus certainly preferred to be amongst the outcasts rather than those people who thought they were the perfect example of religious holiness. Jesus often took those sort of people to task.
Don't judge - leave that to God. Just support both your sister and your dad as best you can.

Fatted · 07/10/2018 22:03

Because your father is being spiteful and behaving in a completely un-Christian manner. I don't understand why you would want to maintain a relationship with someone who can be so petty and bitter towards his own family.

headinhands · 07/10/2018 22:05

Firstly this isn't anyway harming the baby. Imagining it is, is hyping the heat up unnecessarily. Your dad sounds unpleasant.

oxcat1 · 07/10/2018 22:18

Thanks for all the balanced responses.

I do understand that it doesn't impact on the child at all, from my perspective. But from my dad's perspective it does, and the baptism really matters, so why would he do it?

That is what I'm struggling with. I want to stay out of the argument (and I haven't discussed it with my dad at all) but I can't understand how or why the baptism was bright into it, except to be vindictive. As some have said, the argument had nothing to do with the child, nor indeed with the baptism.

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 07/10/2018 22:39

I get what you mean OP. It’s the intent behind it, rather than the affect on the child, isn’t it? For anyone who doesn’t really believe in infant baptism then cancelling the baptism is just a petty thing to do after an arguement.

If he has a genuine and firmly held belief in infant baptism, then that action comes from a very different place. It’s vindictive and very much a sign of wanting to punish the child.

oxcat1 · 07/10/2018 22:40

Oh, and in response to why I would want a relationship is simply because he's my father, and I love him.
But I am really struggling with this.

To him, the child's baptism really mattered. So why did he take it upon himself to cancel it?
I want to stay out of it, but I am struggling to understand his perspective, hence asking on here.

Thanks again, and sorry first post was so long!

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oxcat1 · 07/10/2018 22:44

That is exactly my thought @RafaIsTheKingOfClay.
But I want to understand it differently. I really want there to be another interpretation, but I just can't think of any?

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SassitudeandSparkle · 07/10/2018 22:46

Ask him?

What did the Vicar say to your sister? I find it hard to believe that the Vicar would cancel without speaking to her about it?

oxcat1 · 07/10/2018 23:06

@SassitudeandSparkle : sadly I don't think my relationship with him is good enough. Just asking him about it will be seen as taking my sister's side, and given he has cut her off totally (as a result of the argument, not the baptism), I think I need to be prepared for the same outcome.

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