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What do you call people who are not white?

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Pansy0926 · 29/04/2018 21:03

Completely unsure of what category this should come under, so apologies!

What do you call people who are not white, but you don’t know what ethnicity they are?

For instance, describing a stranger. You could say ‘black’ but to me that implies very dark skin, not slightly less dark ie lighter than Indian/Pakistani etc...

I don’t want to be offensive and now that ‘coloured’ is considered racist, I’m a bit stuck. My manager at work recently informed us that we should use ‘black’ as a catch all phrase. To me this is innaccurate and confusing. My friend is Pakistani, and that’s how I would describe him, but only because I know he is from Pakistan, which I couldn’t know just by looking. I could have easily made the mistake of thinking he is Indian or Arabic, so I guess I would have to call anyone who has his skin colour ‘asian’, even though to me that makes me think of Chinese/Japanese.

What is the appropriate term now? ‘Mixed parentage ‘ and ‘dual heritage’ don’t exaxtly roll of the tongue and I imagine using those terms would get me a few odd looks. The only thing I can think to say are ‘not white’ and ‘dark/darker skinned’

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Gwenhwyfar · 01/05/2018 08:24

"have said "non-Caucasian""

Oh yuck, what a horrible Americanism. I'm white and have nothing to do with the Caucuses.

Gwenhwyfar · 01/05/2018 08:27

"I think the issue is that it really isn't helpful to have a single catch-all "non-white" label when describing an individual. It lumps all Black and Minority Ethnic people together and sets them apart from white people, even when they might have very little in common with each other. "

But being a different skin colour to the majority in your country IS something in common and is usually the most relevant thing.

"The problem with defining people as not white (however that description might be phrased) is that it sets up "white" as being the normal default option"

Which is is in Europe. White is by far the majority. As I said I've been called racist for using the term non-white, but I think that's ridiculous.
Usually when people say 'ethnic minority' what they mean is non-white. so why not say so?

Gwenhwyfar · 01/05/2018 08:29

"Not all black people are "very dark skinned"."

No, but it suggests African or Caribbean doesn't it and will lead to confusion if used for south Asian people (unless in the political 'black sisters' kind of way).

CognitiveDissonance · 01/05/2018 08:38

will lead to confusion if used for south Asian people

Not suggesting it should be used for south Asian people, just correcting the notion that Black "implies very dark skin, not slightly less dark" because that simply isn't true. Black people can be a range of different skin tones and shades, lighter tones and shades included.

TinyPawz · 01/05/2018 08:51

The new girl sitting beside Marge? Sitting in Paul's old seat?

Gwenhwyfar · 01/05/2018 20:32

Tiny - why go to great lengths to avoid saying something very obvious though. It's not something we shouldn't be allowed to mention.

planningpartyfreak · 01/05/2018 22:43

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TinyPawz · 01/05/2018 23:30

I would never use white as a descriptor either though. If in the op situation of trying to identify a new person I would genuinely say person beside such and such. Or use clothes/hair to describe someone. Maybe it's wrong but that is the way I do it.

Gwenhwyfar · 01/05/2018 23:42

"I would never use white as a descriptor either though. "

Isn't that because in most contexts in the UK pointing out that someone is white doesn't narrow it down much as most people are. In a mixed skin colour setting or a mainly non-white one, you might mention it.

TinyPawz · 02/05/2018 00:16

Maybe. I've never really thought about it. 🤔

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