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If you believe in life after death

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Council · 03/12/2017 20:32

what happens if you re-marry/find love again?

My DGM basically spent the last few years of her life waiting to be re-united with DGD and I hope they are.

However, this has always niggled at me. If you're widowed young(ish) and re-marry, what happens when you have two or more much loved husbands in heaven?

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headinhands · 05/02/2018 07:32

This is exactly what Qur'an says to the reader, do not follow your father's blindly but, use your own intelligence and look at the evidence and decide for yourself which is the correct path:

I've done that and decided the Quran was written by humans such as all the other texts.** Grin

GreatNews · 05/02/2018 21:39

The big bang and the expansion of the universe which scientists have recently discovered yet, the Qur'an mentions all these facts over 1400 years ago?

“Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (The Quran, 21:30)

"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it." (The Qur'an, 51:47)

Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly." (The Qur'an, 41:11)

www.space.com/52-the-expanding-universe-from-the-big-bang-to-today.html

www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-s-hubble-finds-universe-is-expanding-faster-than-expected

“He (God) is the Originator of the heavens and the earth…” (The Quran, 6:101)

“Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes; and He is the Knowing Creator. His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” (The Quran, 36:81-82)

Jason118 · 05/02/2018 22:57

Error, sorry to rain on your parade but every living thing is not made from water. Interpreting a text to fit recent facts is not clever, it's not rocket science, and it's very unlikely to be true.

GreatNews · 06/02/2018 22:20

Error, sorry to rain on your parade but every living thing is not made from water. Interpreting a text to fit recent facts is not clever, it's not rocket science, and it's very unlikely to be true.

Please, bring your evidence when you assert something. Merely, having an opinion on something doesn't make you right without proof.

The verses I quoted from the Qur'an is a statement of fact, truth. Qur'an tells its readers to consult an expert in the field if they are in doubt of what has been revealed in the Qur'an.

So if you're not a cosmoologist or nor well versed in Cytology then it is better to ask someone who is an expert in that field.

You will find that every single Qur'anic statement is absolutely true.

God challenges all human beings to come together and try and create another Qur'an like it, it even made it much easier, if they fail, then try a chapter instead.

It's not a job of a Muslim to convince or convert anyone but, to just pass on the message of the Qur'an and let people use their own intelligence that God has given them to choose the right path from the wrong.

And the Day those who disbelieved are exposed to the Fire [it will be said], "You exhausted your pleasures during your worldly life and enjoyed them, so this Day you will be awarded the punishment of [extreme] humiliation because you were arrogant upon the earth without right and because you were defiantly disobedient." 46:20

Alif, Lam, Ra. These are the Verses of the Book; a Quran that makes things clear. Perhaps those who disbelieve would like to become Muslims. Leave them to eat, and enjoy, and be lulled by hope. They will find out. We have never destroyed a town unless it had a set time. No nation can bring its time forward, nor can they delay it. And they said, “O you who received the message, you are insane.” Why do you not bring us the angels, if you are truthful?” We do not send the angels down except with reason, and they will not be held back. Surely We revealed the Message, and We will surely preserve it. We sent others before you, to the former communities. But no messenger came to them, but they ridiculed him. 15:1-11

Jason118 · 08/02/2018 19:54

Your belief in a book is just yours (and of course many others), but it's belief. By adding the last paragraph you're trying to pull the oldest religious trick in the book (sic) - if you can't cajole, then frighten people into belief. Hell fire and damnation, yeah, right, I'm quaking here SmileSmile

GreatNews · 10/02/2018 10:20

Your belief in a book is just yours (and of course many others), but it's belief. By adding the last paragraph you're trying to pull the oldest religious trick in the book (sic) - if you can't cajole, then frighten people into belief. Hell fire and damnation, yeah, right, I'm quaking here..

Lol, why would I try to trick or cajole anyone? It is against my belief and conduct to do any such things. Whether you or anyone else believes in God and the final testament, the Qur'an is neither going to benefit or harm me.

I am just passing the message on as I am expected to, it is God who guides. I hope you understand.

Say (Muhammad), “We believe in God; and in what was revealed to us (Qur'an); and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus; and in what was given to the prophets—from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we surrender.” Qur'an 2:136

Say (Muhammad), “Do you argue with us about God, when He is our Lord and your Lord, and We have our works, and you have your works, and we are sincere to Him?” Qur'an 2:139

Your God is one God. There is no god but He, the Benevolent, the Compassionate. Qur'an 2:163

In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of night and day; in the ships that sail the oceans for the benefit of mankind; in the water that God sends down from the sky, and revives the earth with it after it had died, and scatters in it all kinds of creatures; in the changing of the winds, and the clouds disposed between the sky and the earth; are signs for people who understand. Qur'an 2:164

Beautified is the life of this world for those who disbelieve, and they ridicule those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection. God provides to whomever He wills without measure. Qur'an 2:212

"God! There is no god except He, the Living, the Everlasting. Neither slumber overtakes Him, nor sleep. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His permission? He knows what is before them, and what is behind them; and they cannot grasp any of His knowledge, except as He wills. His Throne extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation does not burden Him. He is the Most High, the Great." Qur'an 2:255

There shall be no compulsion in religion; the right way has become distinct from the wrong way. Whoever renounces evil and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handle; which does not break. God is Hearing and Knowing. Qur'an 2:256

Indeed, the human being is ungrateful to his Lord. And he bears witness to that. And he is fierce in his love of wealth. Qur'an 100:6-8

Peace to everyone.

Jason118 · 10/02/2018 11:06

I am just passing the message on as I am expected to, it is God who guides. I hope you understand.

I think this is my biggest difficulty - I don't understand and I never will Smile

GreatNews · 14/02/2018 20:37

"I think this is my biggest difficulty - I don't understand and I never will."

All of us have a choice to choose without compulsion for ourselves what to believe in or not. Signs are there from the Creator for those who contemplate and think sincerely.

"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted." 49:13

"And of His signs is that He created you from dust; then, suddenly you were human beings dispersing [throughout the earth]." 30:20

And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought. 30:21

And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge. 30:22

And of His signs is your sleep by night and day and your seeking of His bounty. Indeed in that are signs for a people who listen. 30:23

And of His signs is [that] He shows you the lightening [causing] fear and aspiration, and He sends down rain from the sky by which He brings to life the earth after its lifelessness. Indeed in that are signs for a people who use reason. 30:24

Peace.

GreatNews · 14/02/2018 21:28

This is how God describes Himself and His attributes.

Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One,
Allah, the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

Qur'an 112

Jason118 · 14/02/2018 21:29

I read the words that you type but it's all complete nonsense to me, just words from an old book Smile

headinhands · 15/02/2018 07:59

Signs are there from the Creator for those who contemplate and think sincerely.

People merely contemplating and thinking sincerely have come to wildly different conclusions though. Using your method of choosing a god I could end up believing in any of the 2000 gods humans have worshipped. I could even fabricate my own. 🤔

GreatNews · 15/02/2018 09:42

@Jason118

Allah, may He be blessed and exalted, in His perfect justice and wisdom does not change the condition of the people from good to bad or from bad to good, from ease to hardship or from hardship to ease, unless they change their condition themselves.

The verse (interpretation of the meaning): “That is so because Allah will never change a grace which He has bestowed on a people until they change what is in their own selves.” [al-Anfaal 8:53]

For the wrongdoers, He may give them respite and give them time so that they might return to the right path, but if they do not then they will be seized unexpectedly, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “So, when they forgot (the warning) with which they had been reminded, We opened for them the gates of every (pleasant) thing, until in the midst of their enjoyment in that which they were given, all of a sudden, We took them (in punishment), and lo! They were plunged into destruction with deep regrets and sorrows.” [al-An’aam 6:44]

Or they may be given respite until the Day of Resurrection, when their punishment will be more severe, as Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Consider not that Allaah is unaware of that which the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrongdoers) do, but He gives them respite up to a Day when the eyes will stare in horror” [Ibraaheem 14:42], meaning that they are given respite until after death, and that will be a greater and more severe punishment.

Or they may be in a state of evil and sin, then they repent to Allah and turn back to Him, and they regret their sins and adhere to obedience (doing obligatory prayers, giving charity, being good to parents, neighbours and humanity, fasting etc.), so Allah changes their state of wretchedness, hardship and poverty to ease, unity and righteousness because of their good deeds and their repentance to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted.

“Beautified is the life of this world for those who disbelieve, and they mock at those who believe. But those who obey Allah’s Commands and keep away from what He has forbidden, will be above them on the Day of Resurrection. And Allah h gives (of His bounty on the Day of Resurrection) to whom He wills without limit.”
[al-Baqarah 2:212]

“How can you disbelieve in Allah ? Seeing that you were dead and He gave you life. Then He will give you death, then again will bring you to life (on the Day of Resurrection) and then unto Him you will return.”
[al-Baqarah 2:28]

“Surely! Those who disbelieved in Our Signs, We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, Allah is Ever Most Powerful, All-Wise.” [al-Nisa’ 4:56]

“And if you could see when the angels take away the souls of those who disbelief (at death), they smite their faces and their backs, (saying): ‘Taste the punishment of the blazing Fire." [al-Anfaal 8:50]

“Verily, the worst of moving (living) creatures before Allaah are those who disbelieve, - so they shall not believe.” [al-Anfaal 8:55]

Indeed, We have warned you of a near punishment on the Day when a man will observe what his hands have put forth and the disbeliever will say, "Oh, I wish that I were dust!" 78:40

GreatNews · 15/02/2018 10:18

@headinhands

You are absolutely right, there are many false gods and concepts of God as well as ways of worshipping of god(s). But, surely it is such an important fact of human life that we should be searching to find out the right answer and not rely upon priests, rabbis, imams or anyone else who claim to have the answers.

Humans have the intellect and ability to discern right from wrong when we choose to with proofs.

So, to find the correct God to obey and worship one needs to eliminate models of god or no god. And not be influenced by anyone in authority and with blind faith.

Please do examine all the worlds available scriptures and none and then examine the Qur'an and decide for yourself which one makes sense, provides proofs and challenges all humans to come together and see if they can produce another Qur'an like it.

And in Qur'an chapter 3, verses from 189-195, interpretation of the meaning :

"And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and Allah is over all things competent."

Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding.

Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or [lying] on their sides and give thought to the creation of the heavens and the earth, [saying], "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly; exalted are You [above such a thing]; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire.

Our Lord, indeed whoever You admit to the Fire - You have disgraced him, and for the wrongdoers there are no helpers.

Our Lord, indeed we have heard a caller calling to faith, [saying], 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord, so forgive us our sins and remove from us our misdeeds and cause us to die with the righteous.

Our Lord, and grant us what You promised us through Your messengers and do not disgrace us on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed, You do not fail in [Your] promise."

And their Lord responded to them, "Never will I allow to be lost the work of [any] worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another. So those who emigrated or were evicted from their homes or were harmed in My cause or fought or were killed - I will surely remove from them their misdeeds, and I will surely admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow as reward from Allah, and Allah has with Him the best reward."

And in Qur'an chapter 21, verses 21-24, interpretation of the meaning :

Or have men taken for themselves gods from the earth who resurrect [the dead]?

Had there been within the heavens and earth gods besides Allah, they both would have been ruined. So exalted is Allah, Lord of the Throne, above what they describe.

He is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned.

Or have they taken gods besides Him? Say, [O Muhammad], "Produce your proof. This [Qur'an] is the message for those with me and the message of those before me." But most of them do not know the truth, so they are turning away.

headinhands · 15/02/2018 11:12

I've not read much of the Quran but read a lot of the bible. They appear indistinguishable from the verses you have posted.

I have used my intellect. I haven't just listened to religious leaders. I've arrived at the only intellectually honest position for me right now, that is that all available religions are human constructs.

But I await evidence of a personal interested god. A clever god knows what I need to know if it. At this point, if indeed there is such a being, I can only assume it's not bothered if I know it exists.

PatriarchyPersonified · 15/02/2018 13:36

GreatNews

Are you a Quranic literalist?

How do you know that God is a good god? Isn't it just as likely that he is an evil god? Isn't the evidence all around us that if god exists he must be evil?

Interested in your thoughts.

Peregrane · 15/02/2018 14:17

This thread is kind of going OT! The OP asked a very specific question on how those who believe in an afterlife think that multiple marriages/loves would play out. It's a bit rude to turn it into a general attempt to sell a specific faith (or bear witness to it, as you probably see it, uninvited), even if it's well-meaning.

I've got to comment on this though:
@GreatNews "Belief is personal. Whether someone believes in a Creator (God) or thinks Darwin's "theory" is fact, is up to each person."

No it's not. There is a category of things on which science is silent, which includes the afterlife. Natural science in general describes the normal reproducible working of the world of nature, no more, no less.
That doesn't mean that you get to pick and choose whether you believe in facts as pertaining to the natural world. I mean, you can but you have no right to expect any respect for choosing to believe that the earth is flat.

Really not sure why you put Darwin's theory into quotation marks, as it satisfies the criteria of what constitutes a theory. Moreover, at the time when he wrote the Origin of the Species, he believed in God, so there is no intrinsic contradiction between the two. philosophiesofmen.blogspot.be/2012/01/charles-darwin-not-atheist.html

To answer the OP, like many others on this thread, I believe that we would not lose our individuality, and would be able to recognise others we loved on earth; but in a transformed way that would no longer be defined by the framework of e.g. marriage as we understand it in our earthly life.

ClaryFray · 17/03/2018 19:23

Too me, I like the idea that we live multiple lives, re-incarnation of sorts. And our souls travel in the same circles. So we recognise each other on a spiritual level. So our partner could be a cousin/friend/sibling etc in the next life. So our souls stay together but the relationships that bind in life do not transcend to past that.

Love is only love.

I'm of a pagan background. But I don't pretend that my views are right just it's a comforting thought.

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