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If you believe in life after death

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Council · 03/12/2017 20:32

what happens if you re-marry/find love again?

My DGM basically spent the last few years of her life waiting to be re-united with DGD and I hope they are.

However, this has always niggled at me. If you're widowed young(ish) and re-marry, what happens when you have two or more much loved husbands in heaven?

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annandale · 07/12/2017 13:38

I will admit that I'm very influenced by my intense desire for death to be the end. The idea of some form of reincarnation or post death checkup to see how evolved our souls are, or some way of being out of the body while having to go on existing - it makes no rational sense to me but I am also horrified at the idea.

GreatNews · 14/01/2018 22:14

I have been studying Abrahamic faiths, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. And what I found striking is although, they all mention Hell and Paradise where all those who led a life of disobedience to God will end up in Hell and all those who lived life according to God's will be entered into Paradise.

However, I can't believe how detailed and in depth the Quran explains the inhabitant of Hell and Paradise.

It's so scary and yet relief to read in graphic detail.

Why didn't the Bible explain it in that clear detail so that the masses could understand.?

Julie8008 · 16/01/2018 17:49

If there is life after death you just wont be able to be with your loved ones because not all of them will even get into the biblical heaven.
Not only that but many of your loved ones would have to be off with their other loved ones.

So the only conclusion is that you will be in some drug induced euphoria where you think you are with everyone you love and really aren't. Or you go to go to heaven to worship a deity, not be with people you used to know before you died.

Jason118 · 16/01/2018 20:07

I've always wondered what age you'll be when you get to Heaven - do you get to choose?

GreatNews · 16/01/2018 20:48

According to Islam, people will be 33 years of old with the height and stature of Adam.

GreatNews · 16/01/2018 20:53

What is the purpose of human being and why are we on earth?

Which is the correct religion or none?

Who has the evidence of what they claim to be the most true?

Julie8008 · 16/01/2018 21:08

According to Islam, people will be 33 years of old

So any children who die in infancy will appear in heaven as grown adults looking like Adam? Would they have the mental capacity of a child? What will their personalities be? As a parent wouldn't you be pissed off to get into heaven happy to see you young baby again only to be presented with a middle aged stranger?

And my parents who I love dearly will appear younger than they were when I was born, people I never knew. That's a weird one.

headinhands · 17/01/2018 18:38

I think eternity with anyone particular sounds quite hellishGrin

currently I don't think there's anything after death but for those who do I can appreciate how difficult it is to imagine a 'satisfactory conclusion' when there are ex spouses/estranged relations etc.

Jason118 · 18/01/2018 22:33

If everyone is 33 and looks like Adam, how will we tell people apart? Weirder by the moment.

GreatNews · 27/01/2018 09:34

"If everyone is 33 and looks like Adam, how will we tell people apart? Weirder by the moment."

The Qur'an only mentions equal age for both male and female and silent on the age. Other sources extrapolated the age to be 33 years but, that is not important.

It will be a new creation, free from all worldly deficiencies and they will live in peace with no hateful or ill speech and happy.

The ultimate gift will for the people of Paradise is that they will have the pleasure of seeing God (Allah).

GreatNews · 27/01/2018 10:04

Belief is personal. Whether someone believes in a Creator (God) or thinks Darwin's "theory" is fact, is up to each person.

At the end of the day, everyone is for themselves, whether someone believed in God or not.

Science today is not eliminating god but, types of god.

The God of Adam, Abraham (Ibrahim) and all their offsprings have always been One true God.

Over time people deviated, invented and introduced new things in the belief of Oneness of God without any proof. Hence, they became divided and created sects and erected lords and saints amongst themselves.

There has always been one message in the Torah (Old Testament), Injeel (New Testament) and the Final revelation, the Holy Qur'an.

The message they conveyed is the same. Believe in One God and do not associate any partners to God for He is One.

GreatNews · 27/01/2018 10:21

How do you know the God you worship is the correct God?

God (Allah) tells us who He is:

Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One,
Allah, the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent." 112:1-4

And have we been created, for what purpose?

"Blessed is He in whose hand is dominion, and He is over all things competent -

[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving -

[And] who created seven heavens in layers. You do not see in the creation of the Most Merciful any inconsistency. So return [your] vision [to the sky]; do you see any breaks?

Then return [your] vision twice again. [Your] vision will return to you humbled while it is fatigued...... " 67:1-4

GreatNews · 27/01/2018 10:31

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me.

I do not want from them any provision, nor do I want them to feed Me.

Indeed, it is Allah who is the [continual] Provider, the firm possessor of strength.

And indeed, for those who have wronged is a portion [of punishment] like the portion of their predecessors, so let them not impatiently urge Me.

And woe to those who have disbelieved from their Day which they are promised." 51:56-60

Brokenbiscuit · 27/01/2018 10:35

What a fascinating thread. I genuinely had no idea that people had such literal ideas about heaven.

Personally, I think when we're dead, we're dead and that's that!

GreatNews · 27/01/2018 13:05

Of course, everyone has free Will to choose whether to believe or not as the Qur'an mentions:

There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

The Qur'an offers a rationale for it: Since the revelation has, through explanation, clarification and clearly distinguished the path of guidance from the path of misguidance, it is now up to people to choose the one or the other path.

GreatNews · 27/01/2018 13:08

And they say, "There is not but our worldly life; we die and live, and nothing destroys us except time." And they have of that no knowledge; they are only assuming. 45:24

Jason118 · 27/01/2018 18:19

I hear you GreatNews and I see your quoting your book, but that doesn't prove a thing, except that you can read. All religions are flawed when taken literally - too many contradictions. SmileSmileSmile

GreatNews · 28/01/2018 11:39

Although, no one can truly be sure until one is in the afterlife. However, most likely will be with the last husband according to various Islamic sources. But, God knows best, it is just conjecture on our part.

Jason118 · 28/01/2018 17:04

How do you know that God knows best?

GreatNews · 04/02/2018 14:29

.. Because God is all knowledgeable and Knower of everything. Human beings have been given as much knowledge as God wished to live on earth, so we are limited in our capacity to comprehend all things.

As the following verse of the Qur'an (English meaning states).

"Allah! There is no god but Him: the Living, the Eternal. He neither slumbers nor sleeps. To Him belongs all that is in the Heavens and the Earth. Who can intercede with Him without His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them. They cannot gain access to any thing out of His knowledge except what He pleases. His throne is more vast than the heavens and the earth, and guarding of these both does not fatigue Him. He is the Exalted, the Supreme."

GreatNews · 04/02/2018 15:06

I hear you GreatNews and I see your quoting your book, but that doesn't prove a thing, except that you can read. All religions are flawed when taken literally - too many contradictions.

Jason118, I do understand your skepticism of all religious scriptures and you are right be critical and distrust any book or religion that claims to be from God.

This is exactly what Qur'an says to the reader, do not follow your father's blindly but, use your own intelligence and look at the evidence and decide for yourself which is the correct path:

“Do they not then consider the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradiction”
[4:82].

He merges Night into Day, and he merges Day into Night, and he has subjected the Sun and the Moon (to his Law): each one runs its course for a term appointed. Such is Allah your Lord: to Him belongs all Dominion. And those whom ye invoke besides Him have not the least power. - 35:13

“We shall show them Our signs on the horizons and within themselves until it will become clear to them that it is the Truth. Does it not suffice that your Lord is Witness over all things?” (41:53)

Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise. - 2:164

Despite the clarity of the signs, many people do not use their reason, vision and hearing to reflect on these signs in order to arrive at the truth. Thus they are as Allah describes them (interpretation of the meaning):

“They have hearts wherewith they understand not, they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless ones”
[ 7:179].

Jason118 · 04/02/2018 19:56

I'm not sceptical at all. The scriptures exist and there are many versions of many scriptures of many faiths that have been modified and adapted over the years. Many stories in the scriptures are morally sound and are worth living life by - however that doesn't mean there is a god (or any gods) and so by any rational thought, belief in some god is simply human delusion.

educatingarti · 04/02/2018 20:05

In The Message version of the Bible, it interprets Jesus's saying about the being no giving or taking in marriage in heaven as that in heaven ' all intimacies and ecstacies will be with God' I believe we will know each other and relate to each other and where necessary be reconciled with each other, but our primary focus will be on our individual and joint relationship with God.

GreatNews · 05/02/2018 00:48

Yes, indeed. There are many faiths with great any scriptures and versions which have been changed by religious leaders etc. Except for one, the Qur'an. I can guarantee you that the Qur'an have never been changed, not a single verse have been added or removed by anyone and there is only one version since the time of revelation over 1,400 years.

And we still have the original copy in Turkey, and it is exactly as the text today as it was when originally revealed.

Time does not permit me to go into great detail into the sciences of the Qur'an and Hadith (tradition and says of Prophet Muhammad (Saw). But, you're more than welcome to look into it yourself and you'll discover how they have preserved and authenticated unlike any other religious books or materials.

Apologies for the long explanation, I'm not here to convince you otherwise but, to share information and why Muslims believe in God and that He does exist. It is based on evidence and not chance.

If you believe in science I can give you information from the Qur'an that will make you wonder how can these information be in there.

But, again, believing in God must be with sincerity when one certain God exists and just have blind faith like some religion insist on.

Islam is all about facts and recognising the signs of God in everything he has created out of nothing and one's own self.

God tells us to look at yourself and see how you are created with perfection as God wants to.

Contrary to popular belief, one cannot be forced converted to Islam because it goes against God's command.

"There is no compulsion in religion, the right direction is clearly distinguished from the wrong."

Moreover, how can you force one's heart to believe in something against their will? You can compell something to utter something but cannot change their heart unless they freely want to.

Muslims believe in the old and new Testament being the God's word once in their original language but not the present text as they have been corrupted by people and changed the text completely. Although, there are still some original bits left in it but, that's only because it matches what is written in the Qur'an.

Anyway, I digress, sorry about that. It's difficult to discuss about something without explaining it properly.

GreatNews · 05/02/2018 00:55

Don't like autocorrect:

Correct sentence should read:

But, again, believing in God must be with sincerity, when one can be certain that God exists and not just have blind faith like some religion insist on.

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