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Christian prayer thread for winter

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Madhairday · 12/11/2017 17:18

Hello all! I just posted a long post on the old thread and realised it's full up, so just going to copy this here to sunshine - will try and do a roundup of other prayers too later. Everyone welcome here!

Just want to reiterate what Oma and Cocoa have said so well, sunshine. It's no wonder church feels like a hostile place and you freeze up. I feel so sad for you that that man did this to you. But Christ isn't the church , the church is supposed to be his body, reaching out hands of love and help and compassion, and sometimes they mess that up. Hugely. Sometimes evil crawls in. But that doesn't mean God's abandoned you. I love that Oma referred to the prodigal son, I was looking at Rembrandt's study of that parable the other day and so struck afresh by the father's absolute joy in his son being home, his grace in embracing him whatever he'd done. Sadly you've had a poor excuse for a father so it must be so difficult to frame God in the language of father for you Flowers but God is the father who loves you beyond your imaginings, who reaches out arms of compassion and forgiveness, who gathers you in and just loves you. Loves you so much, so, so much, without end. You can never do anything that will make God abandon you. Jesus said that he is with us always, even to the end of the age.

I know church is threatening, lovely, but there are a lot of people who would love to help, here on the internet and in real life. It's just a case of reaching out, but I know that must seem impossible right now. I've learned that God is a God of restoration, a God who longs to mend the broken places and devastations in people's lives. I've seen people set free from so much and believe with everything I am that God longs to set you free, too.

I'd love you to find some medical support. I'm so sorry your GP is so rubbish. More and more the case, sadly. I pray you can get in to see someone. Would you also consider some counselling? Like cocoa says, that doesn't mean they would take your DC away, just that they would want to support and help you. Flowers you sound a lovely mum and have done so well to get to this point. I'm glad you are reaching out here. Please take care and know God's love pouring over you by the Holy Spirit. Flowers

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applesandpears33 · 11/10/2018 12:22

I think listening to people is important. People need to be asked what is important to them. Anonymous feed back forms could be good. For example, in our church there are often minor issues with the microphones, particularly if there is a visiting preacher. People moan because they can't hear what the person is saying, but would never think of actually telling someone. An anonymous feedback form could help.

Becca19962014 · 11/10/2018 14:39

The only problem with feedback forms is you never get everyone's point of view. You get the point of view of people with an axe (any axe) to grind or those who think everything should stay the same.

Our church did this. Spoke to vicar after and he said he regretted it as it was equally DONT CHANGE A THING or CHANGE EVERYTHING.

I don't know what the answer is, there must be one. We once had an away day where we discussed the future of our church and all thr congregation was represented so single, disabled, older, younger etc and it was a day with food bible activities as well as asking what people thought but more asking individually instead of big group and putting people on the spot. It worked really well, was then fed back and then a group discussion happened.

applesandpears33 · 11/10/2018 15:51

Yes, feedback forms aren't the only good form of consultation. One good thing about them is that they give a voice to the people who wouldn't normally speak out, even in a group situation. A larger discussion involving more people sounds good as well though.

MsForestier · 11/10/2018 16:13

What about an advisory referendum on an in/out basis?

Dutchoma · 11/10/2018 17:33

As well you might MsForestier. Terrible idea.

MsForestier · 11/10/2018 17:42

Indeed Dutchoma.

Hope things sort out drspouse.

Becca19962014 · 11/10/2018 18:14

GP wasn't happy to see me but they did. I've been given new meds but I'm nervous about taking them as I'm feeling so unwell and I'm scared of side effects. They said I don't have the bacteria which causes meningitis but am at risk of the viral form and sepsis as I've been ill two weeks now. My anxiety is dreadful Sad I've done a thread on the medication can't take it until tomorrow morning.

My temperature is still high along with my blood pressure and blood sugars aren't good either.

I think if I just had this it would be but the combination is dreadful.

I'd appreciate prayers, please.

I've not had any more thoughts on the extreme makeover church edition, I had plenty of time to wonder in the surgery but nothing really came to me!

BlackeyedSusan · 11/10/2018 19:46

ffs.

run out of spoons. as in spoon theory, and lack of energy. and at risk of running out of real spoons too, as I am too shattered to wash up now. busy week. two days of children's appointments where I have been in and out all day and wrestling a bike in the car and I am totally utterly exhausted.

quick tea (pasta, frozen veg,) will not be met with great joy on ds's part.

Becca19962014 · 11/10/2018 20:28

I'm out of spoons too! I ended up with instant porridge!!

applesandpears33 · 11/10/2018 22:23

Becca - praying you'll feel better soon.

Becca19962014 · 11/10/2018 22:34

Thankyou!

MsForestier · 11/10/2018 23:01

Me too Becca. I hope the meds kick in.

Gr33nGlass · 13/10/2018 07:20

I hope this I see the right thread to post on. I have posted a few times on the Daily Gratitudes thread.

As briefly as possible, I'm trying to make my way back to a relationship with Jesus. I grew up RC, but it was just something we did, my parents didn't actually believe. When I was 21 I joined a religion that prosetlises door to door. At that time they heavily sold themselves as a family church, the one true way to have an eternal family.

With hindsight, many, many years later, I can see that this is what I longed for. I was adopted and my mum ( adoptive) had regretted it almost from day one and had no compunction in telling me so. I never felt, or was, loved by her. Dad did love me, I was close to him. I never felt like I belonged anywhere and that I was faulty or wrong in some way because of the unkindness of mum.

So I was a perfect target for this cult like religion. I was a member for nearly 30 years. My first marriage, made before I joined, was to a deeply troubled man with extremely serious, dangerous issues, which of course I didn't clearly see being so young and damaged myself.. We had several children who were raised in this church.

I got a lot from my prayer life and studied the bible daily, getting a lot from that. There were some good people in the church. Pre-internet days it was able to keep hidden a lot of its history and discarded practises so I had no idea it was built on such dreadful foundations.

FF 16 years, I divorced husband 1, a very dangerous time, after discovering some terrible things. He had always treated me abusively but I expected that. Very unfortunately, a year later I married another member of the church. Charming, romantic, he swept me off my feet, a dream come true, I thought.

Life swiftly became a living hell for me. Violent, hugely controlling in every way, he battered me into a shadow of myself. He raped me before the wedding then blamed me as did the church. I was devastated, I had begged him to stop, but he hadn't. Chastity was very important to the church, I was told I'd committed the sin next to murder, I had to marry,and I felt cut off from God, which allowed my husband to increase his control.

It took years for me to regain my relationship with God, but I did it. That was me, ( feeling cut off from God because of my guilt. I now think God certainly didn't turn his back on me) influenced by my husband's non-stop abuse and the church supporting him. I sought help from my church ecclesiastical leader, but although horrified by what I was going through, he held to his church position that I must submit to my husband and divorce wasn't an option.

Another 15 years later, helped by my secret research on the internet and much deep thinking, I realised the church was not of God, but a sham. Within a year we had both left, and about five years later my husband had another affair and left. Thank goodness.

I had lost all faith in God. Many of my choices had been made in the light of this church's teachings, particularly marrying and staying with my husband. I didn't trust myself and my own judgement.

Some years later I am trying to rekindle my relationship with God and Jesus. I dont look for a religion, fingers well and truly burnt. I had an extraordinary experience many years ago, of the love of Christ, so I hold onto that. I am trying to pray and read the words of Jesus. My previous church was very prescriptive, this is how you pray, what language you use etc. I'm really fumbling along here, feeling I know absolutely nothing at all except this experienceÅ› years ago.

That's all I have really, in my spiritual life, an amazing, undeniable experience and a tiny bit of hope.

Sorry this is so long. Prayers and thoughts gratefully received.

MsForestier · 13/10/2018 07:46

What shines through here is your resilience, mental, physical and spiritual gr33ngrass.

You have a wonderful nest of faith within you from that lovely spiritual experience. I will pray for you. If a church community/ family is too scary at the moment, just concentrate on that special experience that you had. With your family experience and previous church experience, tis no wonder you feel badly bruised and buffeted. But you've a tiny bit of hope and are resilient, even if it doesn't feel like that. In time I hope you find a happy church home, if that's what you want. Others will come with additional vadvice here and they are always so wise.

MsForestier · 13/10/2018 07:47

I meant a happy church home as opposed to worship in private.

Gr33nGlass · 13/10/2018 07:51

Thank you MsForestier. Time is the thing isn't it? I can't hurtle through to recovery.

I can't imagine a church family, at this point, but individuals, yes.

Becca19962014 · 13/10/2018 10:02

gr I struggle with the concept of church family massively and trust and I struggle with God as well.

Many years ago when I started getting issues with church (I was ill in a service and people were angry with me, but more than that I'd always thought being in church I was protected from my illness/being hurt - yes I know that's wierd!) and then I struggled to attend, I also discovered going had become more about the people than God which meant I felt terribly guilty. It got to the point where I was very conflicted about going/not going and the advise I was given was to read Job and psalms (which I didn't do for ages as it was suggested so much I thought they were being glib) and do services at home - I've a copy of the book of common prayer and readings each week and see if I could find a Christian based cafe locally for fellowship - I did both and found it very helpful.

It can be hard for people to understand - "family" for me us a very uncomfortable word along with "love" and "trust" due my experiences, people assume as a Christian I can't gave issues with those things but I do. I spoke to a vicar about it when last in hospital and he said it's actually quite common for people who have my experiences (similar though not as bad as yours) to have these difficulties - he advised talking to God which I do every day now, mostly formally, though I talk now informally as well, trying to give thinks every day for every little thing that helps - this thread for example, knowing people are praying for me (and I them) or being waved over the road, being able to take my new antibiotics without them making me even more unwell. I'm finding taking gratitude is helping me too.

I've no suggestions on going to church, as you can see from the thread I struggle massively to do that myself, maybe one day I will. For now I've my daily readings and practices and working on my relationship with God.

MsForestier · 13/10/2018 10:14

I've had similar issues being let down by family. I engage with church with more boundaries in place.

You can just go to a service without engaging with the wider community thing. Sometimes I think I'm a modern hermit!

Becca19962014 · 13/10/2018 10:17

Ive been ok on antibiotics so far. Thankyou for continuing prayers as I'm still ill.

MsForestier · 13/10/2018 10:21

Oh that's good Becca. Tonsillitis makes you feel very tired afterwards so don't be hard on yourself.

Gr33nGlass · 13/10/2018 11:05

Becca we seem to be in a similar place. My spiritual life is also talking to God and reading the bible.
Even then I can only manage the positive stuff. Any mention of punishment and I feel quite panicked.
I know this comes from my previous religious experience.

This thread and daily gratitudes is my first reaching out to others.

I too often think I’m verging on a modern day hermit, Mrs Forestier. I have to work, I have my children, but when I get home I just want to shut out the world.
I hope the antibs help Becca

Dutchoma · 13/10/2018 12:43

Welcome to the thread gr33nglass you are absolutely in the right place seeking support in all dificulties. I am amazed at your resilience, you have been through so much and are still hanging on to God. Be assured that He has been hanging on to you as well and of course that goes for Becca as well. (I’m so glad the antibiotics are working without horrid side effects.
What I would say is this: there is only one place in the Bible which advocates not giving up on ‘getting together’ for worship and when you have been horribly hurt by false teaching there is no reason at all not to give up (for a while) on meeting with other Christians. There is a beautiful hymn that we will be singing on Sunday, look it up on line:
There’s a wideness in God’s mercy. Just remember that no-one has a right to ‘judge’ you except God alone and His mercy is ‘most wonderfully kind’. Sit quietly and let God’s kindness soak into you: you are most loved.

Becca19962014 · 13/10/2018 13:01

Years ago a nun who I write to wrote me the following :

"In the beginning of his ministry, Jesus, didn't meet people only in specific buildings or read from specific services or only on Sunday's. His ministry was all day, every day with everyone he met and he spoke with his father formally, informally and even pleaded. Whilst our earthly difficulties can cause us to lose sight of the mercy of God, he never loses sight of us and if you need a break from going to church that's not the same as a break from him. Read your bible, get a beginners bible study, go back to basics of faith and hear him"

It sounds simple.
It really isn't.

But one thing it is, is, very comforting at those times when you can't feel him or what you feel seems to be wrong.

I'm sharing in the hope it helps you.

I've a thread in chat about the good things going on in people's lives which I've also found comforting. Some days I have little or nothing, others I have something, but reading others good things really helps.

Becca19962014 · 13/10/2018 13:02

My tonsil is still swollen and I still have the infection, I've had it over two weeks now. Am praying these antibiotics work and I don't have to go into hospital. I only started them yesterday so no time to work yet.

BlackeyedSusan · 13/10/2018 21:06

yep, tis in hebrews about not giving up meeting together, but there is more than one way to meet. If church is damaging, and lest's dac eit, they are made upo of humans so can go wrong, then meeting another way would be helpful.

there are weekday churches, or gatherings via the internet, or cafes, or study groups etc.

this thread has taken the place of the support of a house group for me in thepast, I am in a better church now and there is more support there, but sometimes there are times when I can't go as often as children have appointments or are away etc.