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hideous hymns, vocal vicars and theatrical thuribles. Religious Chat Thread Number 6!

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nickelbabe · 17/02/2013 19:24

Welcome to the Religion Chat thread.
We're mostly Christians, but all are welcome.
a lovely soace to talk about church life, spiritual journeys and stuff in general.
It's not about debate, it's about chat.
Come oldies and newbies!

this is the previous thread

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niminypiminy · 02/09/2013 18:29

I actually prefer the Methodist version, which we say once a month on Methodist Sunday, which has 'save us from the time of trial' instead of 'temptation'

niminypiminy · 02/09/2013 18:34

Actually, I was in a church this Sunday, local to my mum's in Ilford, where the priest said 'now we say the Lord's Prayer together in whatever language or version is close to your heart. I liked that.

madhairday · 02/09/2013 18:56

Hellooo everyone! Have returned from travels in Germany which was fabulous. Just getting everyone sorted for school and the house back in some kind of shape, plus arguing with Orange and Tesco half the day so feeling super stressy. Humphh.

nickel, I can see this must really hurt as it is close to your heart - love what the vicar in the church niminy went to said. I don't mind which version is said personally but do understand about having favourite versions, I'm like that about certain hymns (like how they desecrated Crown Him and Be Thou My Vision for example) ;) I wonder if he is simply trying to tie it all up together for consistency. It's a difficult one, I do know a fair few folk who are really put off by the older language and also those who really can't get their heads around it, but also know those who think it adds to the service through the beauty of it. Either way, it's good NV knows how you feel. Has he said anything?

resists temptation to take you up on the robots vs choir thing, and decides now is not the time Grin

Anyway - hello all!

DO, must be difficult for you right now - you are in my prayers.

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nickelbabe · 02/09/2013 19:22

I don't know what will happen.
the new version does alter the way the ending is worded, and actually, the way it's worded makes no snse c if you're going to modernise, do it properly. I know I'm not the only person that interpreted "your will be done" as "your is goibg going to be done in the future" , because people just don't use that form of wording in modern language "may your will be done" or "your demands/requests/orders will be fulfilled/obeyed" would make more sense.
its wording was a big mistake imo because it tried to get away with just changing the thees and thous for yous and yours and it jars. it was lazily done.
like in the creed where they changed shall to will, changing the meaning from this is definitely going to happen to it might happen if all conditions are met.

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nickelbabe · 02/09/2013 19:23

niminy I like that too.

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nickelbabe · 02/09/2013 19:27

mhd I think he's going to thinknabout it.
he tried to justify it by saying that kids are learning the new version in school.
I didn't learn the lord's prayer in school so I don't buy that.
plus, why should people have to accept that the only place they can have tradition is in Canterbury? so no parish church csn supply their preferences and styles - we've got 4 churches in our team now. the other 2 major ones are modern (the 4th being a village cuurch)
so ours is the last traditional church in the town. why should it be taken away, reducing the choice?

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nickelbabe · 02/09/2013 19:29

and I don't tgink having old words in a prayer is any different from having old words in a hymn.

or suddenly singing in the middle of the eucharistic prayerr.

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niminypiminy · 03/09/2013 12:50

Of course you are right, if we look at it from the point of view of a stranger, there hardly seems any reason for so many of the things we do in church.

Hopefully NV will find a way to resolve things.

MHD good to see you back. I read your blog post about New wine the other day - it was absolutely brilliant.

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nickelbabe · 03/09/2013 13:26

yy, true - that's what I mean, a stranger won't know what's going on anyway, so they won't go "ooh, that's weird wording, wonder why they did that?"

:)

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nickelbabe · 03/09/2013 13:38

"Thank you for the reminder.
I'm struggling to remember that conversation because I had so many conversations with so many people when I first arrived about what we do, what we don't do, what needs changing, what doesn't need changing, what used to be done, etc etc , that it all seems a bit of a blur now. "

does that sound like he's pissed off at me?

I got that in reply to an email saying that I'd just recalled telling him about which version of the Lord's prayer we use.

so I just replied saying that, and that of course I didn't expect him to do his services based on the wants of a specific person, but that it was a big change at a bad time (what with the shop and everything) and that I knew he would understand how hard it is for me at the moment.

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Dutchoma · 03/09/2013 14:28

Very sensible answer Nickel

Dutchoma · 03/09/2013 14:29

And no, he doesn't sound as if he is pissed off at you. It sounds as if he really thought there would be no problem.

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nickelbabe · 03/09/2013 14:32

i hope he isn't - i'm the one who's supposed to be pissed off! Wink

because neither church warden could see a problem and he assumed i'd read the service booklet.

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niminypiminy · 03/09/2013 14:37

I think it sounds like he's stuck between a rock and a hard place, tbh. And also I think he's being honest that he probably did forget the conversation with you - being a new bod is very tiring and you don't always recall everything everyone's said to you. What you said to him may well have been more significant for you than for him.

But I hope he manages to square the circle somehow.

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nickelbabe · 03/09/2013 14:55

yes, i agree, of course i remember it, and of course it was important to me.
and he's just trying to make the church successful while keeping us all happy.

I did tell him what you said that your priest said this week nim
he might be able to work with that (and it'll say "look, i'm not getting at you again" )

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madhairday · 03/09/2013 15:41

Sounds a good plan.

From the point of view of being married to one, I know how much a vicar has to keep in his or her head about conversations and it's just impossible sometimes, and also how difficult it is to move forward and still keep people happy. It's a difficult job sometimes! I'm sure he is trying to keep things moving, and I hope things can be resolved for the best for all of you.

niminy, thankyou. I'm going to be posting the seminar I did over a few blog posts soon, when I get my act together....how are things going with you? We'll be in your neck of the woods next week on a conference...

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nickelbabe · 03/09/2013 17:04

yy - one of our servers copied out a poem called "it's easy to be the perfect young priest" and I included it in the magazine
on page 30

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niminypiminy · 03/09/2013 17:59

That's half way between hilarious and too close to the bone Grin

madhairday · 04/09/2013 12:43

love it Grin

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nickelbabe · 04/09/2013 14:43

i know Grin

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Bluetinkerbell · 04/09/2013 22:23

mhd very welcome for a cuppa! Although I will be starting my new job next week! Exciting! :)

KatyPutTheCuttleOn · 05/09/2013 06:53

Sorry to butt in on your thread but I wanted to talk about something, sorry that sounds all about Me :( I thought this was a better place than AIBU.

I used to use a Christian forum quite a lot when I was still secure in my faith rather than a fence-sitter/agnostic/atheist (not sure which at the moment) and somebody was talking about a company trying to sell them a security related product. They explained they weren't interested but afterwards they felt that they should have said that all the security they need comes from God.

I'm ashamed to say I felt quite shocked by that; that somebody would say it to a company calling to sell them something. It just seemed too 'out there' to me as I always kept my faith as very much a private matter and so would never say anything like that (maybe I didn't really believe?) but also I couldn't get my head round having that much faith that you'd rely on God to protect your house and possessions rather than an alarm system.

TBH I'm not quite sure what answers I am looking for in posting this message but it's still on my mind so I think I need to do something rather than leaving it fester. I'd much rather find acceptance of it than the mild irritation I feel at the moment. I'm likely to have a stressful day today so I think I'm probably over sensitive at the moment, other times I'd not be irritated by it.

Dutchoma · 05/09/2013 07:48

Hiya Katy. It might be better if you started your own thread in Philosophy/religion/spirituality. You would get a wider range of opinions but also a less 'judgmental' attitude than you would get in AIBU.
Hope this helps.

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nickelbabe · 05/09/2013 12:03

I agree Katy - a thread of your own in this topic would get you some very useful insights on the subject :)

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KatyPutTheCuttleOn · 05/09/2013 19:36

OK..thanks.