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I finally feel as though there is proof that God exhists!

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TotallyImmersed · 25/01/2012 21:34

I was never Christened when I was a baby, my mother wasn't Christened and I grew up in a family that was soley Athiest, although I was always Agnostic.

I had always felt that there could be something there, and used to pray to God for him to do something to prove himself to me, but he never did, I felt convinced that he couldn't be true, otherwise why would he deal me all the stuff I have dealt with?

My nan who I lived with for a while died at a young age, I was very close to her, then I had a rough time at school, was bullied, I dropped out of school and hung around with an undesirable crowd and got into drugs and doing things that I would now rather forget. After this I was a victim of DV for several years, which I managed to escape, eventually.
Me and my DS were housed so that his D(?)F couldn't find us.

Knock after Knock got me down, I couldn't find work and piled on weight, I felt used by the few friends I had, Life was bad, I used to regularly cry myself to sleep and the only thing that kept me from taking my own life is the impact it would have on DS.

One week I decided I was going to take myself to church, so on the Sunday I got dressed in a nice dress, DS in a nice shirt and trousers and we wondered down to the local church. We were welcome with open arms into the Sunday school, and went to the service and got a blessing, this is when my life began to change.

I met all the people from the village, it was lovely, forming relationships with the people that live the closest to me, I have never had friends that have wanted to help me be a better person. I have gotten close to the vicar and requested a baptism. I had never felt so sure that I wanted to be 'part' of something.

I got baptised by total immersion, it was the best day of my life, since going to church I had found myself a job, had cut contact with all my using 'friends', I developed some great relationships with people and met someone lovely. Life was good, I had never felt happier or more settled.

Until something happened to my DS, I don't know why it happened but in my head I think it may have been a punishment for sleeping with my DP when I should have held out. The thing that happened (I don't really want to go into it) involved another member of the parish (indirectly) and I stopped going to church.

After stopping going to church, I lost my job, my boyfriend, had to go onto benefits which didnt seem to want to give me any money, I had an STD scare when I got checked out after XP, I fell out with some friends, life was a struggle and I would fall asleep on the sofa because I didn't want to go to bed (it made me think of XP) I would find myself in tears a lot.

Anyway, I got a call from the vicar asking how I am and if I was still going to attend my confirmation classes, I looked over the timings and realised that my life was going downhill because I wasn't going to church. And it made me realise that God does prove himself, but he's not going to make your life better if you doubt in him.

I went to church on Sunday and my confirmation class, and this week I have found out that I am getting a new kitchen (My XP left me without even a kitchen sink) and today I got a tax rebate of over £700! Easing many financial worries. I don't need any more proof than this.

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mariamagdalena · 26/01/2012 02:05

Hiya

I'm really happy you're back in church, and feeling God again. And that life's more obvious blessings are helping as well. I hope I'm not offending you if I gently suggest you share the guilt and punishment theory with your vicar or pastor, maybe asking about whether your tradition offers something like confession / absolution / healing / laying of hands to help you let go and fully recover. So that particular guilt can't get a chance to bite you ever again.

Taking out the mother's past weaknesses on the child just doesn't sound to me like something which was God's doing. Particularly as getting 100% sorted after DV isn't often an overnight process. I wonder, reading your post, if the slightly OTT fear of sin making God harsh was your stumbling block. Which is karma, and Our Lord's death and resurrection saves us from it Grin

CuppaTeaJanice · 26/01/2012 07:52

I'm glad your life is getting better again, it sounds like you have had a very tough time. However, your theory would suggest that all athiests and agnostics have truly horrible lives, and clearly they don't.

CrunchyFrog · 26/01/2012 08:29

Gosh. God sounds like a really unpleasant character there.

Seriously, every time your kid gets sick or hurt by someone/thing, are you going to think it's because you've angered your deity?

That's going to be stressful then.

ahhhhhpushit · 26/01/2012 09:08

God harms your son for something you've done and then rewards you with a tax rebate???

Ummmmmm..... [Hmm]

I'm glad your life is getting better.

I'm an atheist and I have a fabulous life :) none of that terrible "guilt" you seem to suffer from. I couldn't imagine feeling like that all the time.

headinhands · 26/01/2012 09:43

I didn't think karma was a biblical teaching?

Op, I'm really pleased you're turning your life around. However I can't see that it's divine intervention myself, it just seems that you got connected with your community and felt you were part of a cause which many atheists do as well. So you think that anyone with an unwell child is being punished? God must absolutely despise the third world, and all the parents over on the sn board.

niminypiminy · 26/01/2012 10:35

It's wonderful that you are feeling God in your life again. As MariaMagdalena suggests, though, it would be worth talking all this through with your Vicar, because I'm absolutely sure he (or she) would help you to see that those bad things that happened to you weren't punishments for your sins, because God doesn't work like that.

headinhands · 26/01/2012 11:34

Except he did in the old testament, but he doesn't now. Because he's changed. Completely.

CuppaTeaJanice · 26/01/2012 12:24

If, as it sounds like, your son was abused or hurt in some way by a member of the church, and you are now taking him back to that church, are you going to be able to protect him from that person? Are they still around and in contact?

SwedishEdith · 26/01/2012 12:27

So god punishes your son for something you've done?. He's sounds nice

PrisonerOfWaugh · 26/01/2012 12:28

Sorry to be irrelevant/irreverant but this just had THE BEST thread juxtaposition in Active Convos:

Philosophy/religion/spirituality
Why do some people find it hard to believe in God?

Philosophy/religion/spirituality
I finally feel as though there is proof that God exhists!

Ask and ye shall be answered!

PosieParker · 26/01/2012 12:32

Either your church is Scientology and they've actively made your life shit or you are rejoining a group, after crap life stuff, where something happened to your son. I am an atheist and would definitely think before you rely upon God, an external force, in your life you take accountability yourself for things that happen to you.

FellatioNelsonsDog · 26/01/2012 12:36

So how did God prove his existence exactly then? By punishing your child because you had sex with someone? If you think God did that then I am wondering why you want him in your life anyway.

FellatioNelsonsDog · 26/01/2012 12:38

I don't believe in god, but I even I am a bit put out to hear you describe God as a sort of spiritual version of a game of Snakes and Ladders.

DutchOma · 26/01/2012 14:56

TotallyImmersed I am really glad that your life once again is being turned around and that you are finding some happiness in your life.
As others have said it would be a good idea to discuss all this with your vicar, because it looks to me tht you have a very incomplete idea of how God works in the life of His children.
Good and bad happens to everyone and the good thing about having God in your life is that, however bad it gets, you are never on your own with it. It may seem like that, but the promise of God is that He will be always with you, all your life.
It is really hard to deal with bad things that happen in your life and made even harder if you have no community of believers to support you through them. So I am really happy that you have gone back to church and hope that you will find all the support there that you need.
If you like there is a Christian 'chat' line on here where you may be able to find answers to questions raised in your mind in the confirmation class or otherwise. You would be very welcome there.

DutchOma · 26/01/2012 15:00

this is the thread I was talking about.

MargotQuaker · 26/01/2012 19:56

Remember Jesus himself felt abandoned by God on the cross. Jesus himself said that the tower (at the pool of ?Bethesda?) did not fall on those it fell on because they were conspicuous sinners. God (IMHO) is not omnipotent; not everything that happens happens because God wants it to. He/she/it is more like the tiny baby who cares what happens but can't make it happen-- unless we listen.

PosieParker · 26/01/2012 20:06

"It is really hard to deal with bad things that happen in your life and made even harder if you have no community of believers to support you through them." Hmm

TotallyImmersed · 27/01/2012 08:38

Margot, that is how I feel.. It's not that I think that God was deliberately making my life shit when I didn't listen, just making my life better when I do.. 'proving' himself!

I remember before I went to church, I envied those that had faith, having something to really believe in. And now I have found it, it feels like all of a sudden, I'm not alone, even when I am the only one at home.

DutchOma, Thank you, I'll have a good look when I have a bit more time.. I'll be along at some point :)

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Hullygully · 27/01/2012 08:42

Um

Whatever gets you through the crap

Snorbs · 28/01/2012 12:09

Well, there's nothing like a bit of confirmation bias to "prove" the existence of a mythical supernatural being that just happens to be the same mythical supernatural being that you already believed in.

lisaro · 28/01/2012 12:22

This reads like American marketing bumf. And if a tax rebate was proof of a mythical creature then surely we'd all be delusional believe.

OlympicEater · 28/01/2012 12:26

Really sorry to hear that you had a tough childhood and have experienced difficult times.

But what you are suggesting is that God is punitive? You were punished for having sex with your XP by your son being harmed by someone.

I really think that like others have said, you need to discuss your feelings with your vicar / priest.

springydaffs · 30/01/2012 01:04

Really glad that things are looking up for you - way to go Smile

I agree that God wouldn't punish your son for something you did 'wrong'. He's not like that. He's actually very cool and gorgeous Grin

I hope things continue to look up for you and you go from strength to strength. I think that sometimes God works in a way in our lives that we just know it's him but it's hard to explain it to other people.

masuki · 01/02/2012 21:09

what is evidence proof that god exists? surely a level of love peace joy kindness in our heart that is beyond all understanding? god does not deal in money or tax rebates god deals in the pure realm of love

GrimmaTheNome · 01/02/2012 21:16

Based on what you wrote I wouldn't believe in God but maybe I'd believe in that vicar and church.