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Something for all who believe there is no God

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boughs · 19/12/2011 17:30

The White House referred to Christmas Trees as Holiday Trees
for the first time this year, which prompted this from CBS presenter, Ben Stein. Happy Christmas!

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS
Sunday Morning Commentary.

My confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are, Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we
should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God ? I
guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of
us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the
America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Hurricane Katrina)? Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'

In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing yet?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit.

If not, then just discard it.... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.

My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,

Ben Stein

OP posts:
HedleyLamarr · 19/12/2011 19:58

I'm not even going to bother channeling my inner Hitchens for such poor bait. 0.01/10

lljkk · 19/12/2011 20:02

It's one of those Internet things that gets circulated widely by right-wing American idealogues (like my cousins in Florida :() and gets attributed to someone who never wrote a word of it, just to try to justify their distorted world view.

I'm not even bothering to go on sNopes, but that's my 99.9% guess. Especially the weird diversion onto talking about Dr. Spock's too permissive parenting style.

LePruneDeMaTante · 19/12/2011 20:05

he he "who believe there is no god" straight out of "Top tips for annoying atheists" that one Grin

lljkk · 19/12/2011 20:07

I presume somebody already linked to this, which describes the whole history of the Ben Stein hoax email/reading?

He did actually write some of it...

Snorbs · 20/12/2011 10:03

What is regarded as moral behaviour inevitably changes over time as societies move on. Morals are subjective.

Two thousand years ago it was considered perfectly acceptable to keep slaves. A thousand years ago it was considered absolutely fine for 10yo girls to get married. 200 years ago it was absolutely the right thing to do to send poor families to the work-house and children up chimneys. Fifty years ago it was a-ok for a man to slap his wife around a bit if she was out of line.

Sure, from some perspectives morality is declining and - in some ways - I agree that they are. But from other perspectives it's improving.

wahwahwah · 20/12/2011 10:10

Holiday tree. Sheesh. Didn't read the rest. Holiday tree annoyed me too much.

CalamityKate · 20/12/2011 10:27

I didn't read the OP in its entirety the first time - just skimmed past what I (rightly) assumed to be a pile of shit.

Then I went back and read it, including the nasty, snide comments about Dr Spock's son.

Just vile. OP, you are a nasty creature.

ElaineReese · 20/12/2011 10:38

Good grief what a lot of dross.

ShatnersBassoon · 20/12/2011 10:43

boughs, you've made me have an epiphany. No, sorry, I mean a cup of coffee and a nondenominational mince pie, not an epiphany. I always get those two mixed up.

Great reading Xmas Grin

pictish · 20/12/2011 10:44

"Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Hurricane Katrina)? Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'"

Pmsl!! I have heard some Goddy justifying drivel in my time, but that ^ is hilarious! Grin

People will spout any old shite won't they?

boughs · 20/12/2011 11:28

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AMumInScotland · 20/12/2011 11:42

Boughs - why are you putting this here as if it is something new? This bilge has been circulating since 2006!

boughs · 20/12/2011 11:57

Still about, mumsy?

Clearly can't resist the bilge water. Hope the blood pressure will return to normal soon.

Really have to go. Thanks again for the fun.

OP posts:
AMumInScotland · 20/12/2011 11:59

Hmm I'm not "still about", I've just seen and added to this thread. And my blood pressure is A-OK thanks for asking.

bemybebe · 20/12/2011 12:09

yeah-yeah, jog on OP

AmberLeaf · 20/12/2011 12:13

What a heap of shite.

Longtallsally · 20/12/2011 12:15

Cother, I could have written your post above - including the non-Christian dh who is morally so much better than me Blush

I am not really sure however, that there has been a massive moral decline recently. I think that we have more publicity now - not least the DM - but that violence, particularly against women, the vulnerable, other races has always been a huge part of human experience

Puddlejumper (love your name) you write, " don't think I know anyone who believes that the Bible is the literal truth, most seem to believe that it is an analogy (Genesis and evolution, for example). Is this something you've come to.believe too or do you still try to believe what you were taught?" As a not-very-good Christian I was taught that jewish thinkers have a very different attitude to the idea of truth. Their literature/culture works very much through the metaphorical/symbolic - like the parables. So the bible writers would not have expected literal interpretation to be the most important level of understanding. What matters is the meaning within . . .

Haven't explained that brilliantly but hopefully you see what I mean.

NotADudeExactly · 20/12/2011 19:54

Do you really think anyone cares whether you believe in God? Least of all God?

Ahem, boughs, your OP actually only makes sense if he does care, so you're kind of defeating yourself with that point.

Just stating the obvious!

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