I just really cannot sympathise with the Anglicans leaving their religion over the mysoginistic belief that woman shouldn't be ordained

[Bumperlicious]

They need to get a grip and realise that the world has evolved beyond a stage where woman are considered second class citizens. These preparations that start today for their conversion just seems so backward and juvenile, really throwing their toys out of the pram.

How can they justify this?

Um I might have spelled misogynistic wrong. In my defence I have quite literally been awake all night with a poorly baby.

Misogyny is at the heart of all religion -it's what they do, they can't help it .

Which denominations are currently grappling with female ordination?

Poor fears, I think they all need to calm down with a and a tin of

Dears!

Totally agree. I also don't understand why many then chose to turn to the Catholic church when it's white washed over the whole child abuse issue. Why is that an improvement?

I am an Anglican and fully support the ordination of women, always have. I believe there is biblical basis and certainly in the spirit and actions of how Jesus was, ie equality for men and women.

It does make me sad that there are those who feel they cannot remain in the anglican church, but I choose to respect their heartfelt feelings and to agree to disagree, I suppose. It is so far a position from where I am I do find it difficult to grapple with, but in the end, it's up to them, and if their leaving makes the C of E more open to women in leadership then I say all the better, I guess.

CofE does ordain women and has done for years.

I'm still not clear which denomination is grappling with ordination of women.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but some CofE people have never been happy with the ordination of women and the final straw come for them when the issue of women rising up the ranks, as it were, to bishop etc arose.

Is this right?

LornaGoon: I think you're correct.

As appointment of bishops isn't the same as ordination of women, I was asking which denomination is having ordination issues.

I assumed Op was talking about the number of anglicans leaving for catholicism as they don't agree with the ordination of women, not about a denomination newly struggling with it (although the bishop thing is being debated atm)

Agree with OP.

Not helped by rather gormless news coverage.

I don't think this is just about women becoming Bishops. I think it involves the wider disillusionment that people have with the Anglical Church who persist in embracing secular values and failing to defend Christian beliefs. It is starting to water things down too much - ie the recent changes to the Baptism service which have been agreed, and those Anglicans who disagree with this change are entitled to do as their conscience tells them.

I blame Rowan Williams, if he wasn't so ineffectual then perhaps it wouldn't be happening.

But isn't it a wonderful illustration of the meaning of Christianity.

They find treating women as people so disgusting that they have to leave and join the catholic church and the catholic church understands how they feel and welcomes them.

If they were not welcome with the Catholics would they have become Muslim? I guess the actual religion doesn't matter much. As long as you get to wear a funny hat and get to mistreat people.

I agree Bumper - it's pathetic that they've made these promises to their church, but then suddenly they don't matter because it does something that they don't agree with....

bunch of wankers

it's not to do with ordination - it's to do with women being Bishops.
It's kind of "well, we'll let you play, but only if you don't get too big for your boots"
or put more simply
"women" know your place!"

I'm glad they're leaving. The catholic church are welcome to them

There's nothing wrong about Rowan Williams and how he has handled this. He is not ineffectual.

The Anglican church defends Christian beliefs - it just doesn't deal in misogyny any more and some people - for a variety of reasons - aren't ready to stay in that situation.

Christian people are not yet all of one mind on the role of women in the church, or what being a priest or bishop means; nor are they agreed on one single attitude to sexuality. Conscience-ways, it doesn't seem right that they should hold the Anglican-church-as-authority to ransom. But if increasingly there are numbers of clergy who refuse to work/associate with priests and bishops whose orders they regard as invalid (even male priests since they might have been ordained by a female bishop), then the community of the church's body becomes fragmented in a way which is unworkable, and does damage. How many parishes already withhold their parish share, wrongly and selfishly, for so-called "doctrinal reasons" as if they are not part of a diocese with all the care and provision that involves, and withdraw their support of other poorer parishes by withdrawing their financial contribution to the wider church?

I don't see that the Ordinariate will be what they expect. Perhaps for lay people it will not be so far a leap, but for a member of the clergy, everything covering "terms & conditions", pay and pension, housing, church buildings, is very different.

I'm sure those within the Catholic church trying to open dialogue re women's ordination are delighted with the arrival of ultra conservative anglicans .

What year did the Anglican church end the ban on womens ordination? And how many years from it's foundation did womens ordination occur? It's just that people seem to be implying that the Anglican church's new found attitude to womens ordination was always thus and that it holds a monopoly on christian values.

England was a Catholic country. The reason for the foundation of the Church of England had nothing to do with Christianity. It was to do with Henry viii's inability to secure a divorce and subsequently in order to secure political power. The Acts of Supremacy and Uniformity was brought in by Elizabeth to copperfasten this. The Act of Settlement was brought in as a lot of the country was still Catholic so it was a tactic to bar the other faction from gaining power again. Penal laws, stirring up of anti-catholic feeling, punitive fines and taxes 'converted' this remainder. A religion founded as a Christian bastion of equality is not what I'm seeing here.

Just think people are being a bit smug. I'm delighted about women bishops.

I'm currently reading 'The Liberating Truth' by Danielle Strickland. It is excellent and really makes you view the text of the Bible in the context time in which it was written.

I really recommend it. Danielle Strickland is an amazing speaker and really inspirational. I heard her speak a few times at Spring Harvest last week.

www.amazon.co.uk/LIBERATING-TRUTH-Jesus-Empowers-Women/dp/085721019X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1303755317&sr=8-1

Hey Willow - good to see you, where have you been? Hope all good with you :)

there were women priests until Paul's teaching won out, they supported the idiots of the day.

Not all religions devalue women, I'm pagan and we are well in touch with our feminine mystique

There were women priests in Paul's teaching as well faerie. Just takes a bit of digging into context. Priscilla, Phoebe, Lydia all examples, and Paul fully supportive of and encouraging of their ministries.

Yes, and it's totally sexist of God to give the breasts and the birth canal ONLY to women, even in THIS day and age.
Like as if there's something inherently disgusting about men. I mean GET OVER IT GOD! You are so living in the dark ages. Move ON!