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Canticles, charisma and chat (Religion thread number 2)

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 19/02/2011 17:11

the first one is nearly full.

Anyone welcome, it's basically a "what happened in church/spiritual life/anything else you want to chat about that's vaguely related (or not) to churchy stuff.

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nickelbabyhatcher · 23/03/2011 11:22

looks to me like yet another excuse to break the Lenten Fast Shock

essenceofSES · 23/03/2011 11:47

Ooh thanks nickel. Will have a read later as just about to go into a meeting for the afternoon!

nickelbabyhatcher · 23/03/2011 11:53

no probs.
enjoy your meeting. :)

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 23/03/2011 11:57

my BBQ is here, my BBQ is here Grin (and my bathroom scales arf)

Off to town now to buy liver for dinner have a McDonald's with DS3 and buy hand wieghts so I can start shredding tomorrow!!

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nickelbabyhatcher · 23/03/2011 12:14

weigh yourself before you eat!

madhairday · 23/03/2011 13:10

Hellooooooo

Busy here today :) Been out all morning at appointments so just into settle with Brew and MN. And work of course Grin

nickelbabyhatcher · 23/03/2011 13:15

it's busy because i'm MNing - it's my privilege as a newly PG lady that i get to do nothing except and MN for at least this week.
and by next week the morning sickness should have kicked in properly, so I'll be spending most of my time running to the lav.

thanksamillion · 23/03/2011 13:46

Baroque hope you enjoy the shredding. I've started it about 3 times and never got beyond day 5 Blush. Maybe I'll start again too...

nickelbabyhatcher · 23/03/2011 13:46

what does it do?
it sounds rather painful.... Wink

madhairday · 23/03/2011 14:20

Just noticed your name change nickel Grin

Yes ginger bisuits, they did it for me but to this day now I can't touch the things!!

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 23/03/2011 14:22

I have just spend £15 on a new lock for the back door..........and broken it within an hour Blush a bit enthusiastic with the old "trying to get the lock to fit into the old gap without having to improvise with a chisel" and managed to smash directly onto the lock part and broke it Blush.

Thankfully have 2 "star" locks and 2 small bolts (and the back is not easily accessible unless you have a ladder to scale the 10ft wall at the end of the garden)......

I am no best pleased with myself Hmm

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madhairday · 23/03/2011 14:38

aaagh Baroque!! How frustrating.

I am in shock. I just spoke to an absolutely lovely school secretary. I didn't think they existed after experience at our present school!! Just enquiring about places in Telford. Wow she was so helpful. The school sounds lovely and they have places for both DC! Atm anyway...have to get the diocese moving on a house now so can get them for definite - realy want them to go there now :) Shellshocked!! Was like having a chat with a good friend!!

nickelbabyhatcher · 23/03/2011 14:38

I had a gingerbread man.
i didn't like the taste of it.
it did not taste like ginger nuts.

B Grin oops.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 23/03/2011 14:39

I know - I am now having a childish strop about my impatience - it should have been (literally!) a 5 minute job........and now it's turning into a 24hr job as I can't get back to town today to buy a new one.........

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nickelbabyhatcher · 23/03/2011 14:41

yeay mhd - good news! Grin

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 23/03/2011 14:42

yay madhair that's great news Smile

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DutchOma · 23/03/2011 20:29

A cup of tea and two rich tea biscuits should do the trick Nickel. Have to be brought to you before you get up though Grin

TotallyUnheardOf · 23/03/2011 23:10

Hello! Did you miss me?

Haven't been around for ages as I've been trying to concentrate on work, and I find this place just too distracting. Just popped back in and had to stop by to say congratulations to Nickel, and also great news about MHD and her move. :)

I am having a bit of a Confused moment tonight. As a lot of you know, I started going to church again, after a long time away, last year while I was living abroad. I've come back to the UK and started going to my local cathedral, which I am happy with in terms of it being the kind of style that I like (and dd2 comes and loves the junior church there too). BUT I kind of feel ready to - somehow, not really sure how, and if I were maybe that would help - get more involved in things, and I'm not sure how to do that, or if I'm in the right place to be doing it. I've just scoured the cathedral website, and there is a lot of stuff going on (concerts, talks, etc.) but it's all very passive, iykwim. There are some Lent groups running at the moment, but they are either during the day when I am working or on evenings when I can't get there because of other commitments (mine or the dds'). There don't seem to be groups that meet outside of Lent (and anyway the same difficulties of timing would apply). I don't really know what I'm looking for, to be quite honest. I can't sing (as in: am seriously quite tone deaf!) so choir is a non-starter (and anyway the cathedral choir is a 'Big Deal' so I'd have to find a different church even if I could sing!). I don't know... I just feel I should be doing more somehow. I have ended up following a Lent Bible Study programme that my church in the US put on its website (basically reading Genesis and Matthew) and I am doing that and thinking about it every day, but in isolation, as I have no-one to discuss it with. The 'isolation' aspect doesn't bother me as such (I am happy to read and meditate on my own - that's pretty much what I do for a living anyway!) but it would be nice to feel more part of something. My local church is very active and has cell groups and things that meet in each other's homes during the week, but it doesn't have a style of worship that I feel very comfortable with (and dh would freak out if I started bringing godly types to the house...!). The churches in the next town along from me are all anti-ordination-of-women, so while they would probably suit me better liturgically I fundamentally disagree with them on this and that doesn't make me want to go there really.

Oh, sorry for the long splurge. I've been thinking about this a lot today and I am not sure what the right way forward is. I think that for now I'm going to keep going to the cathedral, to make more of an effort to talk to people (e.g. by going for coffee after the service, etc.), and to see if an obvious next step reveals itself.

I will pop back again soon. Keep chatting!

MaryBS · 24/03/2011 09:22

. Difficult to know what to suggest, other than get to know a few people there, and ask them whats going on - you might find more hidden under the surface than is actually on the website. Also don't necessarily rule out churches that are anti-ordination of women. We had a group come to our church for a shared service, and three of their congregation separately came up to me and asked "why aren't you being ordained?". For them it was more about their theology and style of worship, than one particular issue. Also, I now have a group meet regularly at my house. It started off as a Lent group, then just kept going. Its now been going for a year, so I guess you'd call it a house group now :)

I should get off the PC really and rest my knee... its going well, but its not even 48 hours post-op yet!

TotallyUnheardOf · 24/03/2011 09:30

Thank you Mary. Yes - I think the answer is to talk to people and make myself a bit more 'visible' and see what emerges.

I hope your knee feels better soon. Only scanned threads last night and missed that you'd had your op. Take care and be sure to rest enough.

nickelbabyhatcher · 24/03/2011 09:47

TUO sounds tough.

you're not in isolation, though, you can talk to us any time you want to.
Okay, i know it's not the same as talking to real people, but the reason I started the Religion Chat thread idea in the first place is because I don't have anyone in real life that I can talk about church and stuff with - most of the people at my church are old people who just moan about change and stuff, or the choir, which, okay, is great, but that's only part of it.
And any other christians I know are quite evangelical - ie, talking about church means gushing about how wonderful it is that christ loves us etc.
which, as you know, isn't my style at all! Grin

I love talking to you lot on here, because we talk about all aspects of church life, and I get loads of different perspectives.

But yes, do keep chatting to people after services, and see if you can get involved in other groups - is there a Mothers' Union in your church?
even getting your DCs involved in church activities - the DDs could join a Guide group (don't know age they are, but there's rainbows, brownies, guides...), etc.

Mary - take it easy! :)

thanksamillion · 24/03/2011 11:01

Good to see you TUO!
Churches can be so hard can't they! I guess we'll never find the perfect one (unless you start your own like MHD will be doing Grin) so it's trying to work out what's important and what differences you can live with.

If you have the time (and inclination) I would definitely try visiting a few others (maybe while still going to the Cathedral for some services) and go with an open mind. If nothing else it will help you to work out what you don't like! The other thing would be to see if your town has an active 'Churches together' type thing because if you got involved in that you might (a) find things like housegroups that are eccumenical and not tied to a church or (b) find a church that you wouldn't have otherwise come across. We church hopped for a bit when we had to leave one and it was interesting. We ended up in one that we really hadn't thought would be our thing (but they had a good website so we gave it a try) and loved it and made loads of friends, and they're our UK 'home church' now.

Mary hope that you're getting some good rest.

nickelbabyhatcher · 24/03/2011 12:14

gonna have to tell baroque off for talking about church stuff on facebook before this thread Wink
naughty girl. I don't look at facebook very often

nickelbabyhatcher · 24/03/2011 12:22

one thing that makes me laugh, is when people come into my shop when it's empty, and I'm sitting here busily crocheting and they ask "have you got any jobs?" .Grin and Hmm

I'm crocheting ! does it look like I need staff??

TotallyUnheardOf · 25/03/2011 00:47

Thanks all. It's so good to be able to come and talk to you here. It has really made a big difference to me over the last 6 months or so.

Nickel - the girls already go to Guides and Brownies, but that's here in the town where I live. They meet in the church hall, but actually have relatively little to do with the church itself (probably because when they do organise church services and things no-one turns up - one year my dd was the only one who turned up for Remembrance Day, which used to be a 3-line whip when I were a lass...!).

Thanksa - I think if it were just me I'd do a bit more 'church shopping', but dd2 so loves the cathedral now that I'm reluctant to try to drag her to different places. Maybe I should just do it on the odd week when she has something else on, or is ill or something. (She was ill last week, so I 'treated myself' to a lie-in and went to the 11.00 service instead of the 9.15!)

I do think maybe I'm being a bit too 'fussy' (and perhaps have too many fixed ideas about what I do/don't like/want...). I really like to take communion when I go, so I've been put off churches that have communion only once a month or even once a fortnight. But actually perhaps I could live without it. I feel self-conscious with more evangelical/charismatic forms of worship, but maybe I should get over myself a bit! And maybe in time I'd 'warm up' to it a bit. (Admittedly, this seems unlikely, but I am aware that I have a really lively and active and popular church on my doorstep, which I am shunning because of my dislike of clapping, which does feel a bit sad when you write it down like that...) And Mary, you have made me think a lot, too, about the more Anglo-Catholic end of the spectrum. I get quite sad when all you hear about the Church (in the news and such like) is about the disagreements over the ordination of women and practising homosexuals, as if the Church were somehow only about sex(!!!). I still feel a bit uncomfortable about being a part of a church that overtly proclaims that people of my gender are somehow 'second-class citizens' who necessarily (rather than by choice) have to serve God in different ways from men, but it's obviously not just about that.

All of which leaves me not much further forward, except that I am happy to be thinking all of this through (hopefully constructively), and I do feel confident that the right path will be opened up to me eventually.

Hope you are all well. Thanksa... has the snow melted yet? Mary - rest your knee. Nickel... love the crocheting story - sometimes people are slow on the uptake!

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