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'Pastor'- what is one? can anybody call themselves one?

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sherby · 09/11/2010 13:52

Worship pastor more specifically. Is it a recognised church title or just something any kook can call themselves?

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imgonnaliveforever · 09/11/2010 14:44

The term pastor is more of a job description than a qualification. So anyone who leads a church could reasonably call themself a pastor.

Catholics have priests, Anglicans have vicars, and some denominations have pastors. At my last church the lead pastor was the person who led the church, much like an anglican vicar. We also had a youth pastor who was basically a youth worker and an associate pastor who was like an assistant vicar.

Where does your question come from? Have you encountered a worship pastor and wanting to check if he's from some sort of cult? If so, just the title of pastor doesn't really telly you anything other than he's not catholic or anglican.

Hope this helps

sherby · 09/11/2010 14:53

Thanks for replying. Yes you hit the nail on the head. I have a friend who has become involved with a 'church' which has been set up and is led by a man calling himself a worship pastor.

I have actually met this man and he is v charismatic and seems normal enough. But I wasn't aware someone could just set their own church up. I have now been told that this pastor has been 'baptising' people at a local private swimming pool Hmm

Does that sound like a normal thing to happen? Sorry I am a ignorant atheist so this may be completly normal!

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sherby · 09/11/2010 17:05

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AMumInScotland · 09/11/2010 17:12

There's nothing to stop anyone from starting up their own church, calling themself a pastor, and teaching anything they like. Some of them are fairly mainstream and just unhappy with the major denominations, others may have more "unusual" beliefs and practices. So, its normal enough, but OTOH without any kind of umbrella organisation, your friend won't have any way to judge what she's buying into apart from by looking at what he says and does.

imgonnaliveforever · 09/11/2010 20:16

Did he set up the church himself, or is he just leading a church that is newly set up? If it's the former then that is unusual and possibly something to be wary of. But if it's the latter, then to be honest, what you've described sounds fairly mainstream.

Lots of churches (independents as well as mainstream denominations like baptist) do what is called a church plant. This is where about 30 or so people from a long-standing church leave together to set up a new church. This would typically be done either because the congregation is growing too big for the current venue or for example a big town centre church setting up a smaller church a local housing estate to provide for people there (e.g. toddler groups, elderly drop-ins). The new church would need to appoint a new leader/minister/pastor since the old one is still working in the original church.

Regarding baptising in swimming pools, this is also very common. Many independent churches (as well as some anglican and all baptist) practice adult baptism. Most small churches don't have their own pool, so would have the choice either to hire a large inflatable one or pop to the local swimming baths.

I can understand your concern. Most people's idea of church is the traditional c of e pews and bells etc. but a very significant number of churches are like the one your friend seems to have joined. To give you an idea, in the town I used to live (south east commuter belt) there were about 15-20 churches and nearly half were independent.

If you are concerned, there are a number of ways to tell if an independent church is "mainstream" or leaning towards bonkers cult. First of all, there are a few national umbrella organisations which most independent churches would sign up to (they don't want to be thought of as a cult either). The biggest is the Evangelical Alliance (don't be put off by the name, lots of c of e and other denominations are members of this too). On their website you can look up a town and see which churches are signed up to it. Also, many towns will have a "Churches Together" Organisation (typically called "Churches together in Bristol/Leeds/Maidstone/etc.) Is your friend's church a member of this? If so then that means that all the other member churches accept this church as legit.

In the town I used to live in, one of the churches went a bit wacky and cult like (named itself after its leader, discouraged contact with other churches, etc.) That church was removed from the local Churches Together group, who contacted the National Evangelical Alliance. They then visited the town and then struck it off their list, so was then obvious to all that this church was not the same as all the others.

I hope all this helps you (especially since it's taken me so long to type!)

I hope this helps

sherby · 09/11/2010 22:11

Thank you for your reply, very informative!

He set the church up himself with his wife. After checking the website it seems they are members of ACTS church which seems like a regulatory body?

Anyhow will keep an eye out for my friend, I didn't know if it was my natural suspicion of anything churchy or something else Grin

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BreastmilkDoesAFabLatte · 13/11/2010 16:37

I think what goonaliveforever says is spot on. Any church which affiliates itself with a denominational body or works in partnership of collaboration with others will have sufficient safeguards to ensure it's probably legit. Any church which operates in isolation or claims some form of uniqueness or superiority to others is probably dodgy.

You could also contact Inform, who provide well-researched and dispassionate advice on the safety of UK religious movements. If they haven't heard to the group you describe, they may well be able to do some quiet research...

MmeBlueberry · 14/11/2010 06:58

We use the term pastor in our church (CorE), but only for ordained people. Anyone else in a leadership role is either a leader (unpaid) or a worker (paid).

It is important to have someone leading the worship, but the biggest qualification is that they are musical and technical, rather than being ordained.

We have a baptistry in our church for full immersion baptisms, but a swimming pool is fine. I hope they do it during public sessions :)

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