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Quick poll. Who would you contact if you found a stray, untagged dog?

38 replies

Vallhala · 12/01/2010 23:21

This arises out of a comment on another thread. If you found a stray, untagged dog, who would you call/where would you take it;

A. Mon-Fri between 9am and 5pm

B. Evenings and weekends?

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MrsChemist · 13/01/2010 15:02

I would phone my vets because I know they have a scanner and they also have a big book to keep track of lost pets.

If they didn't know then probably the RSPCA.

minimu · 13/01/2010 15:54

Valhala will you tell us what we should do?

Heqet · 13/01/2010 15:55

I'd phone the dog warden. If they weren't open, the answerphone message would no doubt direct me. Or I'd phone a vet, they'd know what to do.

Tan1959 · 13/01/2010 21:35

I used to call our local RSPCA when finding stray dogs with no ID but I don't think they take in strays any longer; I would probably call a dog warden, or take to local police station.

Bella32 · 13/01/2010 22:27

C'mon Valhalla - you need to come back and do the 'reveal' now

HallelujahHeisBorntoMary · 13/01/2010 22:30

RSPCA. I did this for an injured pigeon once. They told me they had an arrangement with a local vet, and to take the pigeon to him, FOC.

Vallhala · 13/01/2010 23:53

Sorry all, its been a hell of a day and a half!

Back now though to tell you why I asked.

Since April 2008 the Police have had no responsibility to take in stray dogs except for dangerous dogs - this all passed over to local councils. You may (and imho should) report to the Police a dog you've found and ask them to record it but they're under no obligation to do so. A council has an obligation to record a dog seized by their officers (ie handed in as stray or collected from the street) but not to make a record of any lost dog reported to them. You must report a stray you've taken in to the council. The RSPCA will not collect a stray from you and will tell you to call the council.

Councils generally don't have a 24 hour, 7 day a week dog warden service - I've yet to find one which does. Within office hours you are required to call the DW, who should collect the dog and take him to a pound (most often just one per county). It must be pointed out here (again, sorry for the soapbox!), that a pound only has a legal duty to keep that dog for 7 days, after which they can, and many do, put him to sleep.

Out of hours you have a choice - take him to an "acceptance point" if the Council has one, as they are not obliged to have an out of hours acceptance point, it's just subject to Government guidelines (not funny if you have no transport/its far away/both), keep him, either permanantly/until the owner requests him back, in which case you must hand him over, keep him until the DW service is open or.... and members of the public have actually been told this by Councils... put him back on the street.

This is hardly surprising as the Government allocated councils £4 million between them all, to be spent over 3 years, with a view to facilitating the new legislation but did not specify how that should be spent or make it the case in law that it should be spent on facilitating this new legislation at all. Your council's allocation could have been spent on paperclips for all you or I know! In 1998 the Police's lowest estimate for providing their former stray service was £11 million PA, a full £7M less than the Govt provided for 3 years cover, to put in place a whole new service which ideally should be comparable or better than the Polices, but clearly falls far short of it. Yet why? The Police were already set up for it, with Police stations and kennels in most towns and with someone on site 24 hours in most too.

You do have the right to keep the dog but must relinquish him if the owner turns up. The Council may only refuse you this opportunity if they have reasonable grounds to indicate that the dog would not be adequately cared for. Many councils don't know/deny this. This happened to me - I challenged them to meet my own dogs and prove that I was unable to care for a stray I'd found (knowing what I do about pounds and being unwilling to let this very old dog go into one). They became very unpleasant until I called in a favour from an RSPCA inspector who got one of their solicitors to call the council and read them the riot act (and boy did he!).

Anyway, my question arose from reading on here about someone saying that they'd call the RSPCA about finding a stray dog. I realised that some people may not be aware of how to deal with such a situation and what a sorry state England's DW service is in. By law every council must have a DW, but he/she need not have that title nor does that need to be his/her main task. Often when this is the case the post holder is also the pest controller.... doesn't that say it all!

Sadly in my experience councils view dog wardens a necessary financial burden, way down on the list of priorities, hence the lack of 24 hour service. You do get the odd decent head of department - one small Northern county council's head of Environmental Health and DW's boss is spitting feathers at this law but still can't get the big bosses to fund an out of hours service. Their strays' acceptance point is 60 miles across countryside from the county's far border. Imagine being told to take a dog there after 5pm with no transport!

So what to do if you take in a stray without a tag?

Report to the council as your legal obligation.

Take to a vet/call your local rescue to see if they will scan for a chip (some rescues have the kit, some don't, worth calling before turning up).

Report to the Police in case the owner has called them and ask them to log it (you may get an "Oh well, if you really want us to I suppose we can" response - I have!). Especially do this out of hours if you cannot contact the DW, to cover your own ass as well as help the dog.

Ask the DW to collect if you can contact him - but remember that most often the dog will go to a pound, not a rescue and that he may be put to sleep after 7 days.

Take him to an acceptance point out of hours if you can, remembering the above.

And if you want to hold on to him, remember that you can, as long as you are willing to agree to relinquish him to the owner should he turn up, as is your legal obligation. By law if you opt to keep him you must retain him for 28 days. Because he is never yours but the owner can reclaim him at any time you are thus unable to give him to anyone else effectively.

If you're very lucky and have a local rescue with a no-kill policy and space they may be able to take him and will inform the DW accordingly. In most cases the DW will then allow the rescue to hold the dog under the same laws and obligations which the public have.

So the next straw poll is.... is this not the biggest, saddest and most backward step in a supposedly animal-loving nation for a bloody long time?

I vote a resounding YES!

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MitchyInge · 14/01/2010 17:21

I would notify police in case dog was listed as missing, get vet to scan for chip and register found on doglost.co.uk

I know our local warden and pound quite well so if necessary could go straight there, otherwise would keep dog with me - depends if it was rabid nice or not

MitchyInge · 14/01/2010 17:22

would not occur to me to contact RSPCA as I hate find them unhelpful

actually cannot forgive them for doing nothing during foot and mouth crisis

sanfairyann · 14/01/2010 21:04

our council came out after 8 on a weekend - well done them I now realise. at the time I thought that was just how it worked everywhere

LittleB · 14/01/2010 22:22

Valhalla I'd just like to say that not all councils are like this. Although I'm no longer a dog warden I still work for the same council and we still have an out of hours service, although the DW are enforcement officers now who share the out of hours duty with other env health enforcement officers such as pest control and abandoned vehicles officer. So during office hours you'd get the former dog warden, out of this you'd get the duty enforcement officer who could be pest control etc, but will still come out from 7am - 10pm (They are also on duty for noise nuisances etc). Used to do until midnight but had some nasty run ins with drunks! All dogs went to rescue, for rehoming unless seriously ill - I once picked up a Rottie who could hardly stand, was v thin and incontinent with a large growth, took it straight to the vets who said it was very ill and neglected. Put it to sleep then and there. The owner rang in to report it missing and I had to break it to him that we'd just PTS, very hard, he was angry until I explained how ill it had been and he realised he should've taken it to the vet! Vet would've testified that the dog was badly neglected if need be. It was a very hard job, glad I don't do it anymore.

Vallhala · 14/01/2010 22:45

LittleB, thank you. Yours is ime an unusual council and one to be grateful for. I wish they were all like that.

I couldn't do your job for all the money in the world... I'd break my heart, my tenancy agreement in bringing home too many dogs and the noses of some of the less pleasant owners out there!

Hats off to you.

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Bella32 · 15/01/2010 09:18

I have to say our local dog warden is very good, and a very nice man too. When I worked in rescue he would contact us direct and go - literally - miles out of his way to bring dogs to us.

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