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32 replies

Bella32 · 12/01/2010 15:59

I'm often to be seen on here pontificating about recall, and how you shouldn't really trust pups until they are 12 or maybe 18 months.

Okay so I pontificate about lots of things but that's just one....

I start recall training the first day I bring a new pup home. Recall across the kitchen, recall across the garden, recall intermittently on walks, for a variety of very tasty treats. I even follow the Culture Clash elementary and high school recalls, and pup will studiously ignore another person waving roast chicken if I recall her.

But today she buggered off. Big time. No wild birds or small mammals were involved. She just decided that she was going to proceed in a different direction to me and my other 2 dogs. And she continued to do so for at leasdt 15 minutes (although it seemed like years) across open farmland and woods.

I whistled till I thought my lungs would burst. A kindly little dog right across the valley answered me enthusiatically: but not my pup.

Eventually she sauntered back into view: cue much praise, clicking, treating, eyes heavenwards, mouthing of 'thank you' and a few tears.

If I'd lost her before darkfall she'd have been a goner. She wouldn't have survived a night in sub zero. Stupid Bella

So, as I have said, please remember that young pups may have an apparently very solid recall, but at - say- 8 months or so - that can totall desert them. And you.

I blame myself. For letting her off, and for choosing the most independent pup in a litter of a highly intelligent breed.

Come on then, come kick my butt!

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midori1999 · 12/01/2010 16:37

LOL. We were stupid enough to let a pup we got back at six months old off the lead with our others, for some reason I was having brain fart and assumed she would come back with the others. (still not sure why I thought it!) It was in a safe area (we have aprivate inaccesable beach here) but nonetheless a stupid thing for us to do. Luckily, after a LOT of very hard work, made harder by the fact her previous owners had inadvertantly trained her to ignore all commands, including her name, she now has an excellent recall.

I have to say, for a while now we have always let all our pups off the lead in a safe area from their first walk, and we have experienced no buggering off. It also makes recall training a lot easier.

controlfestivefreaky · 12/01/2010 16:46

oooh bella you've scared me now! my 6 month old bedlington has yet to bugger off like that but is waaaay too interested in other dogs for my recall to override her interest... i do let her off lead in open spaces (only ever well away from any road) but she can be a pain... have to go and fetch her away from playing with other dogs a lot.... BUT today for the first time she actually came when called from playing with others... not once but on three seperate occassions!

wld you suggest not letting off lead until older?? keen for your thoughts. ta.

minimu · 12/01/2010 17:05

I always let my puppies off the lead from their first walk.

But as they approach that 7or 8 months old I watch them like a hawk. They must behave at this point and if they don't back to basic training!

As you know once they become confident and turn into beligerent teenagers, they forget all the training yo have told them up until that point!

I always try to get my KC bronze and silver award out of the way before 8 months and then do gold when they are over 18 months!! I miss out those difficult months in the middle!

Don't blame yourself Bella at all it is always how you handle the problems that are thrown at you that makes a good handler

Now can I suggest a clicker what you do is........

BitOfFun · 12/01/2010 17:24

Pepper is always fucking off. She is too stupid to learn to ignore distraction. Sometimes I have to phone DP to come to the park and get her back- she doesn't ignore him.

Bella32 · 12/01/2010 17:41

Arf! Thank you for the mixture of piss taking and sympathy, ladies Tis no more nor less than I expected, tbh!

Minimu, my sweet. I already use a clicker. Where exactly would you care for me to shove it?

Thing is, she and my lab occasionally have a small foray in the undergrowth but come back promptly. Today was totally different - she just decided to head due east, solo. Probably got a scent or something

It's very unusual for a dog to leave its owner and two much loved pack mates to head off alone, no?

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vorpalblade · 12/01/2010 18:03

I feel your pain. My silly spaniel-type hound had rubbish recall, but we have done tons of work and he is getting much better - we can walk him in familiar woods without incident. So Saturday, all went well - DH took him for a lovely romp, dog near at all times - fantastic! On the way back down the lane, on leash, silly dog jumped in hedge, somehow got off his leash (we think the catch must not quite have caught) and set off for a merry romp across fields, allotments etc. He never went out of sight but would NOT come on command - DH ended up rugby tackling him as he went past! Then gave him treats LOL!

So it happens to us all ...

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/01/2010 18:04

dashs in after reading bellas email

seriously very scarey - glad she came back eventually xxx

bedlambeast · 12/01/2010 18:49

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controlfreakery · 12/01/2010 19:13

was it my bedlington?
(if v v v cute was probably her)...

bedlambeast · 12/01/2010 19:31

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Romanarama · 12/01/2010 19:59

Wow, poor you, glad he came back in time .

What should we be doing with our pups? I call mine lots and treat him just for coming. He always comes though sometimes I have to sound really exciting - clapping and flapping and heaven knows what else!

Bella32 · 12/01/2010 20:00

Have had a hot bath. Am about to retire to sofa with large glass of wine (am sadly out of Babycham). Pup is markedly quieter than normal....

Having recounted it all to DH I reckon she was actually gone more like 25 mins (I had been looking at my watch because I knew I had to get back for the dc, and I was literally on my last minute of searching when she came back). So a 30 minute walk turned into a 55 minute walk. The little blighter!

Thanks again for those kind souls who were sympathetic. You know who you are

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Bella32 · 12/01/2010 20:02

x post - Romanarama. I know - that's what I do too. From the very first days....

I like to think I didn't actually do anything wrong in her training, that this was a freak event....

If it wasn't I'm buggered!

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minimu · 12/01/2010 20:23

joking apart Bella Do you think it might be worth doing a few interrupted recalls send off after a toy and call back from the recall?

If you have a dog with a chase reflex on scent or sight you can only deal with it when it appears. So you don't have "to do anything wrong" for it to materialise.

I have one very chase orientated and he has been hard work this week do you think the snow makes the scent more obvious?

You deserve that wine.

Just watching Send in the dogs where they are explaining how to teach a dog to track - you're one up on them already!

WynkenBlynkenandNod · 12/01/2010 20:27

Buggering off is my dog related nightmare, that must have been horrible Bella.

We let plog off as soon as we had her and kept calling her back, treating, sometimes putting the lead on etc.

All worked brilliantly until last week when she hit 7 months and there was what is now referred to in hushed tones as the incident. Long line it has been since then and she seems to have got rid of the ear plugs for the moment but I don't trust her an inch so she's on the long line for a bit.

Bella32 · 12/01/2010 20:37

Thanks, Wynken - poor you

Yes, it was really awful. I like to think I keep quite a cool head but inside I was really starting to panic. I was imagining her at the bottom of a wooded bank with a ruptured cruciate (vet nurses have graphic fears!) and she really wouldn't have survived the night in the open - she shivers next to the stove!
Minimu - do you mean like a chase recall? Am very very open to ideas - thank you

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minimu · 12/01/2010 20:53

Yes a chase recall.

Not saying you are in this situation but I did have a working cocker sent to me who chased everything and would bugger off for about an hour and then track her way back completely exhausted.

Before she had come to me she had had electric collars which of course made her worse!

She was obviously put on a long lead and we gently tugged on her lead as we recalled. Obvioulsy clicked and treated what else! The reason for the gentle tug is that dogs can really become deaf when their instinct kicks in. What the gentle tug did was when she heard her recall command it was like a gentle physical reminder which somehow engaged her brain and broke the chase cycle. So even when she was not on the lead she still "felt" the tug when she heard her name.

I would never trust her with livestock but she was able to walk in deer and rabbit country pretty much ok after a lot of hard work.

Bella32 · 12/01/2010 21:22

Yes, that makes sense, Minimu - thank you. I know that they physically cannot hear you if the competing stimuli are too intense: I have explained that to other folk on here before . Ah, the irony
Yes, the scent seems higher in this weather, and she has a much keener nose than my lab. He's far more sight orientated, but picking up a scent is the only explanation I can think of. She's very smart though - on another of our walks she regularly cuts across a little copse we walk round and waits for us up ahead, cool as a cucumber The first time she did that I kept calling and looking back, before I glanced ahead and saw a little black dot about 200 yards away, across a bridge and round a long bend

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kid · 12/01/2010 21:31

really glad your pup came back Bella, I can imagine how scary it was.

I have never been brave enough to let a dog off lead unless I am in an enclosed area. I do recall my dog when he is on his lead by calling him back on extending lead. I make him sit before crossing road and give him treats. He responds really well, but I still don't trust him!

controlfreakery · 12/01/2010 21:38

seems a shame though.... mine loves running free! agree is sometimes scary though...

Alambil · 12/01/2010 22:58

My mum's working dog (both of them work) is 8

She took herself off for a saunter through the woods the other day - a mile or so in the opposite direction of the 2 other dogs...

It ain't just pups that forget themselves at times!

Bella32 · 12/01/2010 23:05

Thanks, Lewis - that is kind of comforting. Kind of freaking scary too though

Scent is definitely her thing. I accidentally dripped cream across the kitchen floor tonight and one drop went into dh's welly (said nothing). Lab boy cleaned all the cream up earlier for me, but pup has just walked past the welly and ended up with her head stuck inside it, trying to get that one drop of cream out. Surprised it wasn't completely masked by dh's foot aroma

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Alambil · 12/01/2010 23:09

lol @ the welly - I hope you took photos!

Bella32 · 12/01/2010 23:11

No, sorry - was too busy pmsl

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sb6699 · 13/01/2010 00:06

Horrible when they do that isnt it. My year old lab is normally pretty good in the fields around our house but because its so quiet round here he has absolutely no road sense.

Took him to my mums (in an estate) over the New Year and let him off in the park. He spotted another dog across the road and ran across to play with him. Luckily enough it was a small street so no traffic but made me think maybe his recall isnt as great as I thought it was.

Wondering now if its too late for formal training classes as its dented my confidence big time.

at dog in welly!