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could we talk about (over) vaccination? and diet (is hills really heinous?)

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Heathcliffscathy · 25/11/2009 22:15

is BARF the only way to go or is there a decent dry food readily available (online?) out there?

i'm shocked to discover that my vet recommends annually vaccinating my cat (my cat as a kid was done maybe once, and lived to 20!) and i'm wondering about this in terms of our new puppy.

any thoughts ladies. we all know that vaccination is an industry...what is the median line to tread or isn't there one?

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Vallhala · 25/11/2009 22:54

There are various schools of thought on vaccs. Some believe in doing so erligiously every year - this especially seems to apply to the big rescues - some to vax once only (I believe as a result of US studies which indicated that immunity carries on for far longer than originally thought/suggested), and some I know prefer homeopathic treatments.

I have mixed views - like any dog lover I want my boys to be healthy but I have had a dog who was vaxed (live vaccine) as a pup and shortly afterwards contracted Distemper. I nearly lost him and he developed fits and a continuous tic as a result. This interesting article states that its now possible to have a recumbent vaccination and not a live one, although its from a US website and I don't know if this is the case in the UK. I will ask my vet now though.

www.marvistavet.com/html/body_canine_distemper.html

As for food, some of those I know in rescue use CSJ (available online) as it is gluten free etc. For epi, sensitive tummy-types and those with allergies the rescue I'm involved with swears by Naturediet, the plastic-packaged wet food. I give this to my sensitive tummied, hard to put weight on GSD and greedy Lab X and both are doing very well indeed on it. I'd happily recommend it.

Hope this helps.

Vallhala · 25/11/2009 22:58

PS re Hills - 2 of my young cats were neutered today. I got a hard sell from the vets surgery about Hills, as did a friend whose cat was recently neutered at the other (unconnected to my own) vet clinic in my town, so it seems to me that the company are offering big rewards to vets for selling it. Makes me a bit dubious about it for a start!

Heathcliffscathy · 26/11/2009 09:31

thanks valhalla. bump.

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BellaBonJovi · 26/11/2009 09:54

My view, as a lifelong dog owner and former vet nurse, is that you go with the vet's recommendation re vaccination. I never saw an animal die as a result of being vaccinated, but I saw unvaccinated animals die and I certainly wouldn't wish that on any of my dogs or cats.

I don't believe that there is 'over-vaccination': in fact, when testing shows that a vaccine confers immunity for longer than previously thought, the vaccinations are changed accordingly. Kennel cough, for instance, used to be done 6 monthly but it is now given annually.

If you are considering not vaccinating your new puppy (which I would consider very irresponsible tbh) then remember that most boarding kennels won't take dogs without up-to-date vaccinations, and several training classes do the same. You might also want to google what a puppy dying of parvo looks like.

Re Hills - plenty of good, complete dried foods out there, of which Hills is just one. Hills has had some bad press (along with most other big brands) re animal testing.

As for vets making money from selling Hills food - yes, they do. They make money from everything they sell. They have to in order to cover their huge overheads. Many vets still manage to sell Hills (and other foods) cheaper than PAH and similar outlets.

I really hate the vet bashing threads that turn up on here, about how much money vets rip owners off for and all the unnecessary work they do on animals. I can honestly say I never saw any evidence of that in practice.

If you don't trust your vet then find another one that you do.

MrsJohnDeere · 26/11/2009 10:01

Burns dog food is one of the best complete dry foods imho.

We do annual vaccinations simply because the kennels we use when we go away requires this.

MrsJohnDeere · 26/11/2009 10:05

this article and the links it contains may be of interest to you re: diet.

minimu · 26/11/2009 10:18

I always vaccinate my dogs. I have seen too many poorly dogs who have died unneccesarily.

My dogs mix a lot with other dogs and I want to protect them as much as I can.

Re food I am a barf feeder and have done for many years.

I do have a few issues with some of the additives and preservatives in dried food but that is my personal choice. Not everyone wants a freezer full of chicken wings, tripe and bones!

I have in emergencies feed natural diet and orijen.

beautifulgirls · 26/11/2009 12:48

Well said Bella

Mummy2LZ · 27/11/2009 00:18

I agree with Bella
Well said!

Vallhala · 27/11/2009 01:05

Just to clarify and fwiw my dogs are vaccinated and I agree that if you aren't happy with your vet its time to change, just as you would your GP. My vets are fantastic, both with my pets and me. I'm very lucky as the lovely vet nurse who tended my late GSD in his last months in my former town now works where I currently live. She's a great inspiration to DD1, who wants to follow in the footsteps of my aunt and a good friend, both of whom are vet nurses, or to be a vet.

Perhaps thats the most relevent thing - advice from a good vet and his/her staff is invaluable.

minimu · 27/11/2009 08:04

I agree re vets. The relationship with ours is great and the dogs love going to visit. They charge in tails wagging (the dogs that is not the vets). The nurses go out of their way to make the dogs happy and the advice from our vet has always be invaluable.

bedlambeast · 28/11/2009 20:41

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