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any advice for a depressed goldfish....

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missscarlett · 03/11/2008 10:14

It seems miserable (or possibly not well) -hanging around at the bottom of the tank and being very still - it does come up for food but then qickly goes back down to the bottom again. Any ideas??

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wigparty · 03/11/2008 10:30

It sounds like it could be swim bladder (some kind of wind problem I think). Does he seem to 'sit' on the bottom or list to one side at all?

You can get treatment for swim bladder if you think that's what it might be. Also you can give him a few cooked peas (with shell taken off) as this is supposed to help. Don't overdo it, which is something I'm inclined to do!

He could be lonely though, maybe he wants a friend

missscarlett · 03/11/2008 10:53

thanks - will try the peas...maybe he is lonely...we inherited him from a friend who moved to America in the summer - maybe he misses them

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wigparty · 03/11/2008 11:09

For just him, I'd give him one pea, two at a push.

Hope it helps!

bella29 · 03/11/2008 18:23

giving you a bump because, although I know zilch about fish, there are lots of really knowledgeable fish people on this thread.

purpleduck · 03/11/2008 18:35

Is there just the one fish? Maybe he needs company?

Some chocolate?

RubberDuck · 03/11/2008 21:47

Have you tested the water recently? A basic water testing kit should be essential for any fish keeper - you need to know levels for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate at the minimum.

When did you last do a partial water change?

You say you inherited him - did you inherit the same tank or did you get a new tank? How big is the tank?

My top tip would be to do a 10% partial water change right now with fresh dechlorinated water at the same temp. Do some water checks. Try the peas, as fish do need fresh as well as dried food (although, tbh, I've NEVER managed to get a fish to eat peas... other goldie keepers swear by them though).

Hopefully we can pull this little guy through

missscarlett · 04/11/2008 11:02

I haven't tested the water but will look out for a kit when I'm next out.
I changed his water last week. I took about half out, sat a big bowl of water on the side for the night and put a drop of de-chlorinator in it and added it the next morning.
We did inherit the tank, it's a good size but doesn't have a filter.
We have moved him recently though, from the front room to the kitchen (his tank was next to a radiator). In the kitchen, although cooler, it's a bit more noisy. I have the radio on whenever I'm in there and he's near-ish to the washing machine. Do you think the noise could be bothering him?

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RubberDuck · 04/11/2008 11:22

I would say if it doesn't have a filter then you probably need to clean more frequently than that, at least in the early days - especially if the substrate (the gravel or sand in the bottom) has been allowed to dry out at all when you were transferring the tank as that's where all the good bacteria is.

It does sound to me like new tank syndrome (but can happen at any stage of a tank's life cycle if for any reason the good bacteria is killed off).

Basically there is a nitrogen cycle in every tank. Fish excrete ammonia (and goldfish excrete LOTS of it, a filter really is essential for goldies because they are VERY messy fish). When your tank is new or the bacteria aren't there, the ammonia slowly builds up and poisons your fish.

Eventually (assuming your fish hasn't died in the meantime), bacteria accumulate and convert the ammonia into nitrite. Unfortunately, nitrite is also toxic to fish, just not as much.

Then a long time after that, bacteria forms to convert the nitrite into nitrate - also not particularly pleasant for fish, but tolerated in far greater quantities. At this point, you can declare your tank CYCLED. THIS is the point where you can maintain it by weekly water changes.

Unfortunately, if your tank is still in the early stages (and sick fish is likely to indicate this, sorry) then weekly water changes are far too infrequent to keep the toxins at safe levels. Look at doing daily water changes of around 10-30% to keep your fish healthy. When you get your water test kit, you're looking for the following levels:

Ammonia 0 ppm (parts per million)
Nitrite 0 ppm
Nitrate

poshwellies · 04/11/2008 11:26

info

I would invest in a filter and maybe a few other goldfish.Glad you moved him away from the radiator (no tank should ever be near a radiator) and maybe it's not the noise of the washing machine but the vibrations?.

RubberDuck · 04/11/2008 11:30

TBH, I think water quality is a far more likely issue than noise. (In fact, my fish LOVE when I have Top Gear on. They all congregate to the front of the tank to watch too... really, I'm not kidding... it's VERY spooky to see them all lined up!)

poshwellies · 04/11/2008 11:35

@ rubberduck

missscarlett · 04/11/2008 11:36

Wow, Rubberduck - that's really comprehensive - thankyou! I will do the water this afternoon, and the peas are defrosting as we speak! (or type!) He is quite big (about 3 inches long) maybe a bigger tank is the way to go. I think my dad might have a spare filter so I'll see if I can cadge that and I think he might move into the bathroom too as it's a bit quieter in there. Thanks everyone, I will let you know how he gets on.

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missscarlett · 04/11/2008 11:38

at the fish liking Top Gear!!

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RubberDuck · 04/11/2008 12:51

I really hope he pulls through The fact he's still eating is a very good sign. Do keep us posted, won't you?

missscarlett · 09/11/2008 11:27

He seems much happier now, swimming in the normal way and not hanging round at the bottom of the tank! And he seems to love the peas, spends ages pushing them around and nibbling them...thanks everyone!

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