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Tax relief for pet owners

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LassinSurrey · 26/07/2024 20:52

Many pet owners are struggling with the increasing costs of pet food and vets bill. The physical and mental benefits of pet ownership for adults and children are well documented.

Many pet owners are resorting to abandoning their beloved pets. It is not fair.

Please join us to ask government to provide tax relief for pet owners.

Thank you

www.change.org/taxreliefforpetowners

Tax relief for pet owners
OP posts:
RogueFemale · 03/08/2024 20:06

tuttuttutt · 03/08/2024 11:11

How do you propose this ridiculous tax relief is going to work?

For a start, zero VAT on pet food. Cake is zero rated.

Rummly · 03/08/2024 20:15

RogueFemale · 03/08/2024 20:05

Please could you clarify? I don't have kids so I don't fully understand how the welfare system subsidising them works.

But I gather, if you have two kids and you claim 'benefits', the taxpayer subsidises you, but if you have three or more, you don't get any more taxpayers' money?

I further gather that 250,000 children live in poverty because of the 2 child cap.

And you agree with this?

And you also think that lonely pensioners with a dog or cat as their only companion should have to fork out an extra 20% VAT to feed their only companion and lifeline? And if they can't afford it then too bad, get rid of the pet?

Well, wow.

Yeah, and tax relief for watching Countdown and Talking Pictures TV. Oh, and for reading the Daily Express.

How about tax relief for pensioners who keep budgies?

🙄

radio4everyday · 03/08/2024 21:32

RogueFemale · 03/08/2024 20:05

Please could you clarify? I don't have kids so I don't fully understand how the welfare system subsidising them works.

But I gather, if you have two kids and you claim 'benefits', the taxpayer subsidises you, but if you have three or more, you don't get any more taxpayers' money?

I further gather that 250,000 children live in poverty because of the 2 child cap.

And you agree with this?

And you also think that lonely pensioners with a dog or cat as their only companion should have to fork out an extra 20% VAT to feed their only companion and lifeline? And if they can't afford it then too bad, get rid of the pet?

Well, wow.

Yes I do. If you can't afford to have more than two kids without state support, don't do them. People not eligible for benefits only have the number of children that they can afford.

No-one bought a pet in the expectation that looking after it would be tax deductible and there are charities for those in genuine need.

RogueFemale · 03/08/2024 21:47

Rummly · 03/08/2024 20:15

Yeah, and tax relief for watching Countdown and Talking Pictures TV. Oh, and for reading the Daily Express.

How about tax relief for pensioners who keep budgies?

🙄

Yeah, you're right, fuck old people, who gives a fuck about them.

RogueFemale · 03/08/2024 21:48

radio4everyday · 03/08/2024 21:32

Yes I do. If you can't afford to have more than two kids without state support, don't do them. People not eligible for benefits only have the number of children that they can afford.

No-one bought a pet in the expectation that looking after it would be tax deductible and there are charities for those in genuine need.

Thanks for your kind words.

LassinSurrey · 03/08/2024 21:52

Hello and many thanks to those who signed up, for your support and kindness.
I have read carefully the concerns that were raised and below are my replies.

1-Pets are a luxury, not essential.

Many people are taking pets from animal refuges, charities and shelters. Pet charities are inundated with animals that previous owners can no longer afford to keep. They take them from shelters not because they regard them as fashion items, but because they are kind, they love pets and they want to give them a better life. Recently a story circulated in social media about a dog being taken to the local pound hoping to get him to a safe place. But the dog was put down the same day along with two others, because there was no place left in the pounds and their efforts to find him another shelter failed. Most shelters are full. Many can no longer afford keeping their pets. Saying pets are a lifestyle choice and not helping people to keep their pets or take pets from shelters, means those animals will spend all their lives in small cages or will be put down. I understand some people will say that is ok. But I hope there are many others who think that is not ok. Kindness in looking after pets, should be encouraged. Many physical and mental benefits of pet ownership are outlined in many academic sources. They are links in the petition to those sources. Please visit them.

2- Do not have them if you can not afford them

Let's not forget it is not just about the individuals, it is about animals and their welfare too. Discouraging people who love pets and want to look after them but can not quite afford to, means hundreds of pets will not have a loving home, they will live all their lives in shelters or they will be put down. I have been in many refuges and they are doing their best to look after animals in their care. Because of the increasing amount of animals, they are kept several in one cage and the only activity they look forward to is the time when they are taken out to a bigger space for a walk and a short play. Day after day and month after month. It is not fair. Without enabling people to give them a home, those cages will be their only home, the alternative being to be put down. Please have a look at websites of pet charities, refuges, shelters etc. Please consider adopting if you can.

3- It is encouraging people to get more pets, they will be everywhere, neglected by cruel owners

The aim is to get Government's attention towards this important issue and get the conversation started. It is humane to help people to look after pets better and good from the animal rights point of view to provide a better life for pets. There will be a framework as with everything, a bit like child benefit. The amount of pets will be limited, eligibility for tax relief for pets will be determined and there will be provisos, like pets should be registered with a qualified vet etc. I believe all registered pets are examined by vets every 6 months. This will encourage responsible pet ownership.

4- What does Tax relief for pets mean? People will just have pets only to get money from Government

Currently the idea is asking Government to provide an additional tax allowance per pet (probably up to 3 pets living in the home and registered at a qualified vet) for tax payers through the self assessment income tax or tax code, that would reduce their overall tax liability limited to the base tax rate, as is done with the mortgage interest. Vet bills, insurance, pet food should be calculated to reduce the taxable amount.

5- It is individual choice and responsibility, no need for help

A rough equivalent would be people's opinion about private schools. Some people can afford it without any strain, which is great, others have to make a choice between holidays or a new car and private schooling and some can no longer afford it. There are also people who think private schools should be abolished.

For many pet owners, pets are members of their family, they love them, they want to keep them and they need a bit of help to do so. Others love animals but can not afford having them, so they need a bit of help to do so. In one of the links provided in the petition, it is shows that pet ownership can save billions to NHS as pet owners are physically and mentally in better shape, which is good for the society. Enabling people to enjoy the benefits of pet ownership while making sure pets are looked after well, means a healthier society and more pets leaving shelters and finding a loving home.

Many thanks

OP posts:
saraclara · 03/08/2024 21:56

Unbelievable.

Had it not been for the legit link to the petition, I'd have thought this was a wind up

Sandyankles · 03/08/2024 22:06

Oh dear. Points 1 and 2 sound more like arguments against puppy farming and in favour of putting unwanted animals to sleep. It is madness spending lots of money keeping unwanted pets alive in a miserable existence in a cage. It would be much more sensible and kind to put them to sleep.
Point three - a better conversation would be one about responsible pet ownership. And compulsory 6 monthly vet checks? Madness - the only winners would be the big vet chains. A more useful action would be against the big vet chains charging ridiculous prices.
Point 4 - obviously nonsense. That would just encourage people to buy pets who others wouldn’t to save money.
Point 5 - I don’t know what point you are trying to make here.

WorriedRelative · 03/08/2024 23:02

LassinSurrey · 03/08/2024 21:52

Hello and many thanks to those who signed up, for your support and kindness.
I have read carefully the concerns that were raised and below are my replies.

1-Pets are a luxury, not essential.

Many people are taking pets from animal refuges, charities and shelters. Pet charities are inundated with animals that previous owners can no longer afford to keep. They take them from shelters not because they regard them as fashion items, but because they are kind, they love pets and they want to give them a better life. Recently a story circulated in social media about a dog being taken to the local pound hoping to get him to a safe place. But the dog was put down the same day along with two others, because there was no place left in the pounds and their efforts to find him another shelter failed. Most shelters are full. Many can no longer afford keeping their pets. Saying pets are a lifestyle choice and not helping people to keep their pets or take pets from shelters, means those animals will spend all their lives in small cages or will be put down. I understand some people will say that is ok. But I hope there are many others who think that is not ok. Kindness in looking after pets, should be encouraged. Many physical and mental benefits of pet ownership are outlined in many academic sources. They are links in the petition to those sources. Please visit them.

2- Do not have them if you can not afford them

Let's not forget it is not just about the individuals, it is about animals and their welfare too. Discouraging people who love pets and want to look after them but can not quite afford to, means hundreds of pets will not have a loving home, they will live all their lives in shelters or they will be put down. I have been in many refuges and they are doing their best to look after animals in their care. Because of the increasing amount of animals, they are kept several in one cage and the only activity they look forward to is the time when they are taken out to a bigger space for a walk and a short play. Day after day and month after month. It is not fair. Without enabling people to give them a home, those cages will be their only home, the alternative being to be put down. Please have a look at websites of pet charities, refuges, shelters etc. Please consider adopting if you can.

3- It is encouraging people to get more pets, they will be everywhere, neglected by cruel owners

The aim is to get Government's attention towards this important issue and get the conversation started. It is humane to help people to look after pets better and good from the animal rights point of view to provide a better life for pets. There will be a framework as with everything, a bit like child benefit. The amount of pets will be limited, eligibility for tax relief for pets will be determined and there will be provisos, like pets should be registered with a qualified vet etc. I believe all registered pets are examined by vets every 6 months. This will encourage responsible pet ownership.

4- What does Tax relief for pets mean? People will just have pets only to get money from Government

Currently the idea is asking Government to provide an additional tax allowance per pet (probably up to 3 pets living in the home and registered at a qualified vet) for tax payers through the self assessment income tax or tax code, that would reduce their overall tax liability limited to the base tax rate, as is done with the mortgage interest. Vet bills, insurance, pet food should be calculated to reduce the taxable amount.

5- It is individual choice and responsibility, no need for help

A rough equivalent would be people's opinion about private schools. Some people can afford it without any strain, which is great, others have to make a choice between holidays or a new car and private schooling and some can no longer afford it. There are also people who think private schools should be abolished.

For many pet owners, pets are members of their family, they love them, they want to keep them and they need a bit of help to do so. Others love animals but can not afford having them, so they need a bit of help to do so. In one of the links provided in the petition, it is shows that pet ownership can save billions to NHS as pet owners are physically and mentally in better shape, which is good for the society. Enabling people to enjoy the benefits of pet ownership while making sure pets are looked after well, means a healthier society and more pets leaving shelters and finding a loving home.

Many thanks

Only house pets?

Why do you hate outdoor pets?

tuttuttutt · 03/08/2024 23:29

Lots of pet owners are unhealthy and obese so that argument doesn't stand up. Most of the pet owners on my street are obese and unhealthy

OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 03/08/2024 23:39

Absolutely not!

We have pets but they are a luxury and there should definitely be no tax relief.

I would like to see more regulations on who can have pets - some people are terrible pet owners. Not having the means to provide adequately for the pet, including paying for health insurance, should exclude you from having one. I would support government funding for spaying/neutering all pets unless part of a monitored and well-regulated breeding programme, with un-neutered pets aged over a reasonable neutering age being confiscated and neutered before being rehomed to a more responsible owner. There are far too many people making a profit out of domestic puppy and kitten farming.

MrsPuddle · 03/08/2024 23:44

I did not manage to read the whole thread, it may have been raised, but what society has VAT relief on pets but not loo roll, or toothpaste or bras or choccy biscuits come to that..

.....children's school fees? 😂

Jux · 04/08/2024 01:05

Ridiculous idea. I have 4 cats and no way do I expect the tax payer to fund them for me.

Runnerinthenight · 04/08/2024 01:08

tuttuttutt · 03/08/2024 23:29

Lots of pet owners are unhealthy and obese so that argument doesn't stand up. Most of the pet owners on my street are obese and unhealthy

What's that got to do with the price of eggs?!!

tuttuttutt · 04/08/2024 01:44

@Runnerinthenight op is harking on about the so called health benefits of pet ownership.

loudbatperson · 04/08/2024 09:13

If it's for health benefits can I have a tax break on my David Lloyd membership?

Or can a family living in a small house have a tax break on the building for an extension?

Or a tax break for a holiday to help me relax?

Or a boat as sailing is great for physical and mental health?

Where would it stop?

loudbatperson · 04/08/2024 09:26

Mind you on the health club front..... I would be supportive of taxes funding indoor gyms, even fairly basic ones. I hypothesise that could be a great help for national health and reducing NHS costs, although it would need a study to test.

The outdoor gyms are great, but they useless in really hot, or more importantly for Britain, wet weather.

Overthebow · 04/08/2024 09:33

I own a cat and no, I don't think there should be tax relief for pet owners. Pets are a lifestyle choice and a luxury when moneys tight. People should not be getting pets if they are that close to the breadline. There are much more important things that taxpayers money should go towards then pets to be honest.

carlenelee · 21/12/2024 19:19

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

BIWI · 21/12/2024 19:39

Firstly @carlenelee - AI?

Second - this is a thread from August! Not really sure why/how you chose to resurrect this one?

MumonabikeE5 · 21/12/2024 19:47

Hahahaha

LittleMG · 28/01/2025 18:07

I don’t think so 😬

Jux · 19/02/2025 14:48

Having 4 cats, this could help us a lot, but no. When so many are struggling with essentials, why on earth should the Treasury help me to pay for my lifestyle choices/luxuries. Yes it's hard to afford yhem and we surely do without stuff we would like (eating scallops on a weekly basis would be lovely, as would fillet steak).

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