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Question for Horsey Mumsnetters

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Reamhar · 07/04/2008 13:26

I'd appreciate some opinions and alternative suggestions from the horsey Mumsnetters for the situation which we're in at the moment please. Sorry if this becomes a bit of a ramble....

We have a 26 year old ID x TB mare who is retired, very laid back about life, but who needs very good grazing and plenty of food to ensure that she keeps condition and weight during the winter. She lost her "husband" of many years 2 years or so ago due to heart problems. This was is a shame because as two old codgers the got on very well together. After this loss, we took on a Welsh Mountain Pony from the RSPCA as a companion and a pony for DS1. The pony was not a cruelty case, but was not broken. We have since had him backed, and he is ridden and schooled once a week by an instructor at the moment.

The reality is that DS1 is only really intermittently interested in the pony, so it could work out more cost effective to take him to a riding school when he does want to ride.

I worry that the pony is basically being wasted as a field ornament as, a part from an hour a week being ridden and being lunged from time to time, he does no other work. The expense of paying someone to ride him is silly really. I also think that the pony is too sharp to be a suitable first pony even though he is nice natured and quiet on a lead rein. He could make someone a fantastic 2nd pony for Pony Club as he is fast, nimble and loves to jump.

The needs of the older horse are the complete opposite of the pony, who at this time of year is being strip grazed to keep his weight down in case of laminitis. We rent a small field with two stables which has great hacking locally, but it is too small for the amount of grass that the older horse increasingly needs. The great location is completely irrelevant for an older horse who isn't ridden any more. It is however, incredibly convenient. Our land lords don't mind what time we come and go to check the horses and we are able to leave some toys around for the DS1 to occupy himself with. We have a more freedom than if we were at a livery yard. However, we've got no back up for holidays, sickness etc that you would get with a livery yard.

I'm increasing thinking that since the older horse's needs and the pony as so completely different, and since the pony is really being wasted (he deserves to be used more), that I need to look into some alternative accommodation. I'm also about to go back to work, and when DS2 starts being mobile, continuing to look after the horses by myself is going to become tricky.

I think that we need to put the pony out on loan/sell him, and move the older horse into part livery somewhere locally.

We live on the North Hampshire/Surrey border and I have found a lot of livery yards near us are (understandably) more geared up for horses that are being ridden regularly and offer facilities to suit with a price to match. Which is fair enough, but not what I need. What I really need is a yard which offers part livery, with great grazing and stabling where my old lady can enjoy a quiet life as a lawn mower.

Does anyone know of such or livery yard in our approximate area, or am I dreaming that such a place exists? Or, can you suggest an alternative to livery. I have considered some sort of loan arrangement for the pony, but I'm worried that this might turn out to be more hassle that it is worth?

Well done if you managed to read through my ramble and get the to the end!

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snorris · 07/04/2008 13:33

I can't help directly but it might be worth looking here & asking on the forums NFED. Most of the people are in Hants and will have more local knowledge. .

toratora · 07/04/2008 13:35

Sell the pony - sounds lovely, by the way {- I have got something similar I am trying to sell - a lead rein pony or second ridden, definitely not a first ridden.

Check the adverts in your local tack shop or feed merchants - there are always adverts up here for companion ponies. We have just got a 30 year old pony, on loan, who is fantastic, my dd (aged 2) can ride her but she wants a quieter pace of life and is a fantastic companion. That way your ds1 could still ride if he wanted to, but you would not feel that you are 'wasting' a pony that is too good to be a companion.

Or you could advertise your horse to go out on loan as a companion?

Just some ideas, I would probably try to get a companion, but I have got my horses at home and love seeing them out of the kitchen window!

CountryGirl2007 · 07/04/2008 14:26

Well, tbh, horses don't really mind being "wasted" I'm sure he is quite happy doing what horses love to do, lounging around his paddock eating, and is not thinking of fulfilling his potential or "what could have been....." obviously he needs exercise to keep in good shape and prevent laminitis etc.

you can lunge him etc, you could also advertise looking for an experienced rider to exercise him, there are plenty of people who would love to help out with a pony and get riding experience but may not be able to afford a pony of their own.

As for the 26 y/o, if her teeth are in good condition, she doesn't need a ton of grazing if she is getting good hay. What else is she fed? Sugar beet is a good feed for bad do-ers.

Is she exercised at all? 26 isn't old at all and horses can be ridden well into their twenties or even 30's if they are in good condition i.e. plenty of muscle, no bad joint problems, haven't got a terribly swayed back etc. I used to ride a 22 y/o pony who looked like an 8 yr old and was one of the best dressage ponies in the stables and would also overtake all the larger and younger ponies out on a galloping hack on the beach! :p

bamzooki · 07/04/2008 15:32

As you say - the needs of your horse are rather different to the pony, whether or not he is ridden. Rich grazing is not the ideal for a WMP. As he is not likely to get much work, then selling/loan might be the way to go with him and get a different companion for your horse.
Maybe advertise for a field companion? One who also needs better grazing. Or what about a goat? I have a friend who had a companion goat for years. In fact the horse/goat were devoted to eachother and the goat had to travel to competitions etc with the horse because they both stressed too much otherwise. I believe that goats do well on good grazing - not at all the 'eat your washing line' type animals that they are portrayed.
Good luck with whatever you choose.

Pixel · 07/04/2008 19:58

If I had a little yard to myself that I liked and could do as I please I would hate to give it up! I think if it was me I would advertise the pony to be loaned in return for help with looking after the mare. Someone from your local branch of the pony club might be interested so you could ask there first as he sounds the talented sort.
There are other ways of keeping weight on older horses besides lots of grass, so I would have a chat with the feed merchant or vet to get some ideas. There are loads of feeds on the market now for veterans as horses are living longer.

Pixel · 07/04/2008 20:02

Bamzooki, I knew someone who had a goat. Unfortunately she wasn't content with being a companion to the pony and used to jump out and follow passers-by. She could easily jump 6ft! One morning she had to be collected from the police dog kennels as she had been found wandering and they didn't know where else to put her .

Reamhar · 07/04/2008 20:24

Thanks for the ideas guys. Feed wise the oldie is on all sorts of good stuff.

Barley Rings
Blue Chip Feed Balancer
D&H 16 plus
Alfa-A

Plus 24 access to as much hay as she wants from a hay rack which is always kept full.

Though I must admit I haven't tried sugar beet, because of the phaff with the soaking.

Loaning the pony in return for some stable chores is a good idea.

Pixel - I know what you mean about giving up the field. It is nice to be your "own boss" and to not have to deal with livery yard politics and personalities!!

CountryGirl2007 I'm afraid my oldies' back is getting dodgy now, so I decided to retire her, but she still gets lunged, etc.

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CountryGirl2007 · 08/04/2008 00:11

If you were to loan the pony to somebody, that'd mean your mare had no companion then? :S

Pixel · 08/04/2008 00:43

Countrygirl, I think the pony would stay at Reamhar's yard and the borrower would have use of it in return for helping to look after the mare (as Reamhar said she is going back to work and won't have time). That's what I meant anyway .

yorkishbirdy · 08/04/2008 20:07

Are you allowed to sell/loan an RSPCA pony? I know you are not through any other rehoming charities are you?

Anyway, if you are then I would suggestyou consider an enthusiastic work for rides teenager to help out and ride. Generally really horsey mad teenagers would rather be on the yard than anywhere else and you would be around regularly to check everything is ok.

How does the yard owner feel about having another person around the yard?

Tippychick · 10/04/2008 09:40

You wouldn't be allowed to sell an RSPCA pony, or even loan it as far as I know (I have had foster horses for other charities). You would have had to ask permission before breaking him if he came to you unbroken I imagine, unless it was an agreed part of the loan. Please contact the charity before you do anything.

If the pony is riding well now, advertise for a pony sharer or a work for rides person.When I was a teenager I clocked up countless hours of work in that way, not even for rides, just for experience or to be near horses! If you get someone reliable then they could be a huge help.

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