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Cats - should they be allowed to roam?

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aidualk · 23/04/2020 16:50

I used to be a cat owner and I want a kitten eventually. Lately I came across this page on facebook and it made me think. Should cats really be allowed to roam free wherever they want?
They kill wildlife, crap in people's gardens and anger dogs/animals that are peacefully chilling in their houses/gardens.
Really think about it. And let me know! I want to really take in both sides before I adopt a fur baby!

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Mangofandangoo · 12/05/2020 15:16

My neighbour shouted at me as I left for work and her cat was under my car.

Obviously i wouldn't ever want to harm it but I'm not sure if she expected me to get down on all fours and do a full check before I got in and started the engine. She seemed flabbergasted that I hadn't.

Miserable old bag hasn't made eye contact since.

The cats on my estate tend to sit in the middle of the road licking their privates. Also shit in flowerbeds is a massive annoyance

AintNobodyHereButUsKittens · 12/05/2020 15:16

It’s not as simple as giving them a litter tray and training them to use it unfortunately. I’ve had several cats, they’ve all been capable of using the litter tray but they’ve all refused point blank to use them unless they were trapped in the house. We had building work done and our current cat adapted back to the litter tray perfectly for a couple of months while she couldn’t go out. The instant we gave her the cat flap back the litter tray went unused even though it was sitting there just where it always had been. Fortunately for our neighbours she goes in our back garden not theirs.

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/05/2020 15:23

Cats need access outdoors for their wellbeing as they are not fully domesticated. They are also not killers of all wildlife. We have two outdoor cats and while they will kill mice and rats, they do not kill the birds. Every day, I see wild birds snapping up cat food from the cat bowl and hopping away unattacked while the cats look on with no interest.

Lllot5 · 12/05/2020 15:27

I live cats they’re far superior to dogs much more intelligent. I wouldn’t keep one indoors.
However I live in a mid terrace quite near a busy road, not a main road, but reasonably busy. Therefore I don’t have a cat.

Lllot5 · 12/05/2020 15:28

They can’t help killing wildlife it’s just what they do.

okiedokieme · 12/05/2020 15:32

Wish they didn't, they torment my dog. That said my dog doesn't respect fences, has to be supervised outside otherwise he goes wandering (a lady 2 doors down feeds him treats and encourages him in so he's rather keen on visiting her!) needless to say he has a tether in the garden if we are not watching him.

okiedokieme · 12/05/2020 15:33

Ps dog comes back after his treats, but very annoying that someone thinks it's ok to encourage him

Purpleartichoke · 12/05/2020 15:36

No, they should not. The rescue we visited to get our cats requires people commit to having an indoor cat.

MoominKitty · 12/05/2020 15:40

I have three rescue cats all neutered and they are indoor only cats, mainly due to one being a skitty git and we live right on a busy road so don't want to risk it, if and when we have a garden we'd have a cat run though.

My mums cats are indoor outdoor cats, stay in her back and front gardens so don't poop in others and are always in by dark to protect wildlife, none of them are birders.

drspouse · 12/05/2020 15:57

You don’t get to claim that cats don’t affect wildlife and then say they control the mouse population at the same time....

I count indoor mice, and rats, as vermin. They live in cities because we live in cities and leave food sources out for them (including my DCs who don't listen to the "no food except at the dining table" rules, the flat dwellers behind us who don't believe in wheelie bins or rubbish collection days, and the pub-goers who drop their chips on the way home).
Birds, and fieldmice, are wildlife.

drspouse · 12/05/2020 15:58

The rescue we visited to get our cats requires people commit to having an indoor cat.
While the one we got our cat from lets you know whether you should aim to keep yours in or let them out. Some need to go out, some need to be kept in. Depends on the cat.

june2007 · 12/05/2020 15:59

I can keep my dog inmy gardenI can,t keep my cat in my garden. I can walk my dog, I would struggle to walk a cat so yes yabu.

Rainycloudyday · 12/05/2020 15:59

I loathe cats and find it outrageous that someone else’s choice to own one means I have to scour my garden for poo before my children play in it. It’s utterly vile. Imagine if I allowed my children to go into someone else’s garden and do what they like, it’d be seen as totally antisocial and unreasonable. If you can’t keep your pets under control on your own property then don’t get them and if that means no pet cats so be it. Pet owners can be so arrogant.

Mangofandangoo · 12/05/2020 16:02

Can I just ask how people know their cats don't poop in other people's gardens? Seems like people are saying this quite often - can you guarantee this?

youkiddingme · 12/05/2020 16:11

All I know is I'm utterly sick of other people's cats crapping in my garden.

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/05/2020 16:23

“If you can’t keep your pets under control on your own property then don’t get them and if that means no pet cats so be it. Pet owners can be so arrogant.”

You’ve obviously never had a cat. It’s not a question of lazy pet owners not controlling their cats. Cats as a species cannot be controlled. The only way to stop them roaming onto other’s properties is to cage them permanently indoors and stop all their escape attempts.

AintNobodyHereButUsKittens · 12/05/2020 16:32

I know our cat pretty much always craps in our garden because I know how often a normal adult cat poos, and I know that that’s the same as the amount she does in our garden. I think that its a bit antisocial for cat owners to completely pave or deck their own back yard.

BigusBumus · 12/05/2020 16:38

There are around 7 cats living in houses either side of me, who USED to come and poo in my garden all the time. That was before my Jack Russells noticed and i opened the door for them to chase them away.

Only took a couple of times, now they never set foot in our garden!

drspouse · 12/05/2020 16:51

People saying "don't let cats out" and "don't keep a cat if you can't control it" would be quite happy for there to be hoards of feral, un-neutered cats roaming about the cities, I suppose. As well as the rats of course.

CampDragon · 12/05/2020 17:20

We tried the indoor cat thing. Lost our old cat in a road accident, he was nearly 7 and we thought he knew what he was doing around roads. But something went wrong and it was heartbreaking. The two new rescue cats arrived a few weeks later and we swore they would be indoor cats. That lasted four months (November to March) and then we realised that we would actually need to open doors and windows on account of spring arriving. Couldn't afford epic cat-proofing of the garden, and the layout at the rear of our house would have been really difficult to cat-proof anyway. So tentative freedom was granted to them. Both neutered, obviously. Older one rarely goes out and is always nearby. Younger one roams more but is never gone for more than a couple of hours without popping back to say hi. Both get shut indoors overnight, and they're not allowed to go in or out of the front door (to discourage them from hanging around near the road). Younger cat does wind up the neighbours' dogs a bit, purely for existing rather than because he's doing anything to goad them, but that happens even if he's just sat on the windowsill (inside).

We're lucky in that they are both so attached to the litter boxes that they don't toilet outside, at least to the best of my knowledge. There are certainly enough poops to scoop every day to suggest that they do all of their business indoors. Youngest cat even goes out for a while, returns to use the litter tray and then goes back out again! I think this habit might be linked to their life in 'captivity' while with Cats Protection and their lives as indoor-only cats for 20-ish weeks when they first came to us.

While I could see the older cat being pretty happy staying indoors at all times, it would be difficult to manage as she'd be bound to get curious when it's summer and the back doors are open for ventilation.

But I'd be really sad if I had to keep the younger cat indoors all the time. As much as I fear for his safety when he's out and about, I can see just how much benefit he gets from it and would hate to deprive him of that.

Yes, you don't let any other animal out to roam unsupervised. But that's either because they wouldn't come back (rodents, bunnies) or because it's physically impossible (fish) or because you can easily take them out 'supervised' (dogs). Cats are a unique category of pet. Comparing them to dogs in this respect isn't super helpful, as while there is always the occasional story on the internet of a cat in a harness and lead enjoying its daily walk, most cat owners know that trying it would cause massive distress to the cat and (probably) a bunch of nasty scratches to the owner.

CampDragon · 12/05/2020 17:22

Oh and neither of them kill anything other than insects. Or if they do, they're not bringing their prizes anywhere near our house. It's hilarious watching the younger cat leaping into the air, trying to reach a seagull flying high overhead. Grin

Biscuitbiscuits · 12/05/2020 17:33

So, would you like them to become extinct?

Do you want all manner of birds, pigeons, crows, gulls to be banned because they shit on cars and gardens?

Foxes? Rats, mice, voles, shrews? What about horses shitting on public roads and paths?

25,000 humans are killed by dogs a year, whether via maulings bites or rabies.

No, YABU. This fucks me off.

Rainycloudyday · 12/05/2020 17:56

Wild animals pooing is totally different. There is no need to have anything like the number of cats we have in the Uk, they are bred because people want them as pets, I don’t wish any species extinct but I don’t believe there is any environmental need for the vast majority of cats. They are there purely because of the demand for pets.

The fact that you can’t control your pets is exactly my point @PlanDeRaccordement

If that is so clearly the case it underlines my argument that people shouldn’t have them. If you can’t have a pet without disrupting other peoples property and causing potential health hazards, you shouldn’t have them. I’m sure it’s unpopular amongst cat lovers but that’s my opinion and I think to insist otherwise displays arrogance and selfishness.

Rainycloudyday · 12/05/2020 17:56

And dogs don’t wander around unattended pooing on my lawn every day. Maulings etc are a totally different issue and irrelevant to this discussion.

AnnaMagnani · 12/05/2020 18:03

My cats have access to a litter tray. In fact they have access to 3. They still prefer to go outdoors.

And they do go in my garden. Not the neighbours. I know this because the place they choose to go is the nice raked veg patch straight outside my kitchen window so I have a lovely view of them whenever I'm cooking.

It's easy to get your cats to poo in your own garden as I have sadly found out. Just make them a nice raked bit of soil and it will be a cat magnet. Like my abandoned veg patch.

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