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OMG!!! Can I trust him now???

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sparklygothkat · 20/06/2007 18:31

We have a rule in this house that the kids must not open the front door as the dog will bolt out. Dd2 just opened the front door, the dog got out and ran after a dog of the same breed, the lady walking the dog kept running further away from me, and I had to shout at her to stop running, so I could catch my dog, but my dog then bit her dog on the back not a big bit, didn;t break the skin but sort of grab the skin IYKWIM I just don't know if I can trust him now... We know he doesn't like other dogs and we dont have other dogs here for that reason, he is fine with our cats and us..

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hercules1 · 21/06/2007 20:19

My dogs wont protect us. They do nothing at all to guard the house or us. Personally that's why I chose them as a breed. Of course I dont know for sure what they'd do if push came to shove but I doubt thye'd do anything.

sparklygothkat · 21/06/2007 20:19

What breed do you have Hercs??

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hercules1 · 21/06/2007 20:19

From what she siad the dog simply needs training and socialising as all dogs do.

sparklygothkat · 21/06/2007 20:21

yep, and that is why we are going to training school on sunday.. I can't wait!! I think we will all enjoy it (can bring the whole family so they all know how to work with him)

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hercules1 · 21/06/2007 20:21

One is a rare breed and if I state them here then I will be recognisable to anyone who know me as the combination is rare too!

hercules1 · 21/06/2007 20:22

Another reaosn we didnt get a staffie is because we wanted more than one dog. Again that said I know lots of great family pet staffies and we meet lots of friendly ones on our walks.

sparklygothkat · 21/06/2007 20:24

I know someone who has some of those hairless dogs, they are very rare. I find them funny looking but very friendly!!

I know someone who also has 2 staffies, they are mates.

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AbRoller · 21/06/2007 20:24

Well who am I to argue with you saying that I am right and you are wrong?

I respect your opinion, we're all entitled to them.

I have read many books about staffies, had a dog trainer in for weeks and having grown up with one, I got two of my own. I know the breed so I will agree to disagree with you.

hercules1 · 21/06/2007 20:28

You only need to look at the incidents of dogs snapping at their owners to see that this is far more common than a dog laying its life on teh line. I'm not tlaking about sensationalist stories either.

sparklygothkat · 21/06/2007 20:34

My parents have a yorkie and its a snappy little thing. It snapped at DH once when we were dogsitting. Any dog can snap..

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hercules1 · 21/06/2007 20:35

Small dogs are far more snappy. WOuldnt have one of them either!

AbRoller · 21/06/2007 20:36

I would like to read and compare statistically the stories you talk about and the conditions and situations the dogs were in at the time of said incidents.

I doubt any dog choose to snap at it's owner upon the arrival of an intruder (except for the surviving runt of the litter, and generally with a bit of love and training even they're not that stupid)so making a comparison will no doubt be difficult, but I'm willing to try. I'm not too stubborn to admit I'm wrong should the evidence support the opposing POV.

sparklygothkat · 21/06/2007 20:39

can the runt be more snappy then abs?? My parents yorkie was the runt, is that why he is snappy? I know he has snapped at my dad before too

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hercules1 · 21/06/2007 20:42

There are lots of studies and statistics if you google to show how many dogs snap at their owners. I researched this when dd got snapped at by a dog we had last year. A friend is a child's A & E nurse and they deal with dog bites all the time. Lots of cases of facial surgery happen because of dog bites.

hercules1 · 21/06/2007 20:43

Not sure what you mean by a dog snapping at it's owner when an intruder enters the house.

AbRoller · 21/06/2007 20:46

Sorry sparkly, I didn't make that very clear. I actually have no idea about the snapping potential of the runt I was referring (without actually doing so) that some runts survive, despite their difficult start in life, with the help of some very loving people but end up with little 'attitudes' and oddities and can display odd behaviour.

I was pointing out that I would find it hard to believe a dog would attack it's owner for now reason and certainly not if confronted by an intruder accept if it was the runt with 'oddities'.

hercules1 · 21/06/2007 20:48

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6387361.stm Of course there are reasons for a dog biting but small children and lots of people dont often know how to read the signs.

hercules1 · 21/06/2007 20:53

The culture clash is a fairly good book that explains well the myth of the disney lassie type dog and that dogs do not actually think the way we think of them and are out for themselves most of the time.

AbRoller · 21/06/2007 21:11

I have to say sorry to you also then Herc as I didn't make myself clear.

Firstly, you said 'You only need to look at the incidents of dogs snapping at their owners to see that this is far more common than a dog laying its life on teh line'.......well it would be as there are far more irresponsible owners for dogs to bite than intruders to lay down their lives for.

Second, I know there are lots of people bitten by dogs. I work in the emergency services and I've seen it but the dog gets the blame too often. It is the owners who are at fault most of the time. Some family pets are pampered to such a degree that they understand their place to be Alpha. Foodbowl snapping is very common. These are animals and it's in their blueprint. watch any nature programme, who eats first? The alpha and the lower ranks get whats left. Dogs work the same way and foodbowl snapping is the dog saying 'I'm aplha, I'll eat and reprimand you if you touch before I'm finished'.

Biting children is not the dogs fault either, again the owner. As the owner of a dog you should be aware of the potential dangers around children. Why is any dog left alone with children, it's beyond me.

Again, nature programmes, what do you always see?....the little ones growing up and fighting for the next available place in the pack. They know they will not get the 'alpha' as that's taken but the next spot is up for the taking. A dog will see a child as a competitor.

Giving a dog a toy and allowing it to become completely possessive about it's toy is another reason dogs bite. It's his toy, you've instilled that in him and when you take it(as many bitten children have learned) you are getting him to best you, i.e whoever gets it is the best and therefore worthy of the next position available in the pack.

This post is way too long already so I'll stop but I stand firm in my conviction that dogs bite because people teach them (albeit unknowingly) to.

hercules1 · 21/06/2007 21:14

I completely agree with your post. I would say though read the culture clash as it argues against the pack theory and explains why. That said I still follow the basic guildlines of being dominant over dogs as its not worth the risk and does no harm that i can see.

I do think though that some dogs are harder work to keep on the right path which is why I wouldnt have a rottie but I know they make excellent pets with the right owners.

As I said I wouldnt have a staff but I know the majoiry make great pets with the right owners.

AbRoller · 21/06/2007 21:27

Sorry herc, we keep x-posting.

I think we're not to far off the same way of thinking. I agree that dogs 'think' completely different to us but it goes back again to the pack situation.....Why is there an Alpha and why is he protected? Because he gives the pack structure, he is usually the provider. The lower ranks always want to please the alpha, maybe they'll get seconds instead of last offering. We don't drag in a dead animal for him but we do feed him and he knows this. It's a different mentality but dogs have been domesticated for an age and are more than capable, IMO, to become happy, content members of a human family.

Their capabilities must never be underestimated. Big teeth designed by nature to rip open the tough skin of another animal and an instinct to do the same. It's the owners I tell ye

I've enjoyed chatting, it's nice sometimes to talk about something other than 'whats for dinner' so I thank you for the interesting convo.

I'll leave it here as I do tend to go on a bit I will continue to respect you POV and hopefully chat again.

Take care

ps...good luck with the training Sparkly

hercules1 · 21/06/2007 21:29

I would have totally agreed with you before reading culture clash. From other stuff I've read it seems that hte pack theory has been discredited somewhat partl;y because domestic dogs are now so distant from their wild ancestors.

AbRoller · 21/06/2007 21:32

I think I'd be afraid of a rottie but like you say, in the right hands probably a great dog.

I'd like to read that book. Will have a look for it.

Better stop now before I go on and on and on. Dp looked at me a minute ago and said 'who the hell will read that, it's a novel.

Take care

AbRoller · 21/06/2007 21:35

Sorry, one more question then I'll begger off, promise.

Have you any idea of the author? I'd be very interested to read that because, yeah, they've been domesticated for so long maybe there is a lot to learn.

hercules1 · 22/06/2007 07:21

Donaldson. It's a book heavily recommended on a dog website forum I use. Quite interesting but I am no expert so not saying at all it's right or wrong.

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