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yes, my dog is very large but he is not vicious....

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nothercules · 07/05/2006 14:07

Only had my dog for nearly 3 months and getting fed up of people accusing me of having a vicious dog. He's still a puppy and has never hurt anyone or attempted to. He is always on the lead in any areas where there are lots of kids and minds his own business on walks.

Why do people assume because he is large he must be vicious?
Actually I worry about him as he's already been bitten by a couple of small dogs.

OP posts:
starlover · 07/05/2006 22:33

so... people just come up and say "your dog is vicious" ?

misdee · 07/05/2006 22:34

people come upto me and say............

buffythenappyslayer · 08/05/2006 10:25

tbh people should be more scared of my kids heading towards them than my dog!!!Grin

Joannie2 · 08/05/2006 10:33

Don't worry about it Nothercules - you get outspoken, tactless people in all walks of life. most dog owners at one time or another get nasty comments from "non-doggy" people. I keep my dog on a lead, never let her approach people unless they ask me first and still I get people tutting and pulling their kids away, even though I make sure that I keep my dog a fair distance from their children. I've even heard people say to their kids about my dog "Don't touch that it's dirty" - cheeky buggers. Now I would never let my dog approach a child (or adult) just as I would never let my child approach a strange dog - I suppose it's just common sense. I do not like strange dogs approaching me, (I also don't really like strange children approaching me Grin), so I completely understand how uncomfortable it can be for some people - but if your dog is under control then you have nothing to worry about and you should just ignore the silly comments. The amount of parents that let their out of control children run up to my dog for a cuddle is unbelievable - they have no idea how my dog will react - and they go in a mood when I ask the child to stop Angry. Just keep at the front of your mind that just as you get good and bad dog owners you also get good and bad parents. I have found myself saying to people "It is my responsiblity to keep my dog under control and it is your responsiblity to keep your child under control" Wink.

You sound like you are doing really well with the puppy - enjoy him and ignore what everyone else says. Smile

mazzystar · 08/05/2006 10:44

It sounds like you are a responsible owner, keeping your dog on a lead and training it properly. Unfortunately there are lots of dog owners who are nowhere near so considerate.

I hate it when dog-owners response to their dogs jumping all over you or whatever is - oh he's only friendly/he won't bite. Not the bloody point if its scared the life out of someone by bouncing about near them.

Greensleeves · 08/05/2006 10:47

I get fed up with being sneered at by selfish thick-skinned dog-owners because I don't want my children slobbered all over by their big smelly hairy animal.

Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 08/05/2006 11:16

If you are a responsible owner thats great but there are people out there who give dog owners a bad name.

I run along our canal towpath on a regular basis - meet dog owners all the time who hold their dogs' collar whilst we pass - it takes a few seconds.

Last week I met the most obnoxious woman Angry Her dog was running loose and as we approached began jumping up and running alongside. We asked her to call him. Her response.......No he's a bit softie and won't hurt you. We asked again... still no (in fact she told me to go and find somewhere else to run WTF??). Sorry, it's not good enough, I didn't want her dog jumping up me and whilst he probably is harmless enough, if I step on his paw or trip and fall onto him he's going to bite. And I still bear the scars from a dog bite 4 weeks ago.

What's the problem in restraining him for a few seconds? She may have the right to walk her dog but I've got the right to not have it jump up me. If I meet her again and she doesn't restrain it we are going to have words.

Chloe55 · 08/05/2006 11:32

I have an Irish Wolfhound cross so he is quite sizey. I walk him in our woods and often he is not on the lead. I do, however, put him on the lead if I see another dog who is on a lead or small children are about as he must look very domineering towering over them. But, what gets my back is when people walk past him (when he is on the lead) and pet him. Firstly, how do they know he won't bite? (He wouldn't, but that's not the point) and secondly, he gets overexcited with fusses by strangers an jumps up at them - cue a rather miffed walker who is then covered in muck! Now, I don't think that's my fault, I have him on the lead and they chose to stroke him without asking. I wouldn't dream of stroking somebodies dog without checking first.

Twinkie1 · 08/05/2006 11:37

Won't let DS or DD go and play with the girl next door as they have a staf and think they are horrid vile creatures - actually don't like dogs at all after seeing on of my friends attacked by one and having stiches in her face when I was a child I am not in the least bit afraid to drag both of my children away from them and do people really come up and say 'Oi you, you've got a vicious dog'????

HunKeRMunKeR · 08/05/2006 11:44

Always reminds me of Inspector Clouseau...

"Does your dog bite?"

"No."

"Thought you said your dog didn't bite!"

"That's not my dog..."

You know your dog's not vicious (although I bet a great many dogs who've bitten children had owners who thought the same thing), but other people don't.

I'm not a dog fan though. Can you tell? Wink

secur · 08/05/2006 11:51

People seem to see fit to comment on anything they like and usually the less they know the more vherment the comments - like those people in supermarkets who wandr round talking to their friend/husband/nobody about how you must be a bad parent because your child is screaming/eating/not holding hands etc.

In the same vein you also get people who think they know your dog based on its breed and therefore can tell you your dog is dangerous.

IMO all of this kind of behaviour is based in ignorance and frankly lack of manners.

However, anyone has the right to tell their child to keep away from a dog or physically remove them if they see fit - it is their child that is at risk and not your dog. admittidly it would be nice if they were polite about it, but we can't have everything can we!

For my part my children are well drilled in "you ask before you go near a dog" if there is no-one to ask you don't go near and if they did go against one of these "rules" I would remove them in exactly the way described - "come away you don't know if it is safe or not".

For the record I am also a big fan of big dogs Grin

2labs · 08/05/2006 13:03

nothercules - very jealous, I love Leonbergers, fantastic dogs.

My dogs aren't allowed to go up to anyone unless the person asks - I always take the safe option and assume that people may be scared/allergic. Sadly however I find it's other people's children who have not been trained and because mine are labs people assume they are friendly. They are, as it happens, but I don't appreciate parents letting their kids come over to poke them with sticks, as happened in a pub garden last weekend. I asked the parents to come and retrieve their toddlers and they said 'Oh, do they bite?' My DH said 'No, but I do.' Grin

Ironically it is dangerous when parents pass their fear of dogs onto their children. If you don't teach children how to behave with a strange dog, just to be afraid of it, they will behave in a way that is far more likely to get them attacked if the dog is out of control and vicious.

wannaBe1974 · 08/05/2006 15:58

I think that there can be middle ground, I do think that dogs should be kept under control and that if a dog has a tendency to run at or jump up at people, even in play, then it should be kept on a lead in places where there are lots of children, and that letting it off should be restricted to places where there is wide open space for it to run without harassing the local populous. I also think that it can be very annoying when people tie their dogs up outside shops, because although the dog is restrained it’s not uncommon to hear a dog barking/crying/wining until its owner emerges from the shop to take it home. Also if the dog isn’t necessarily friendly there is no owner to stop the dog from snapping/snarling at children/other dogs while he/she is in the shop. I have been to our local shops on more than one occasion to find several dogs tied up outside all straining at their leads and snarling very voiciforously to get to my guide dog.

However, while I appreciate that some people have fear of dogs for one reason or another, I do think that feeling the need to cross the street to avoid walking past a dog which is kept under control is perhaps a little excessive. Yes there are aggressive dogs out there and there are some very bad dog owners out there who don’t keep control of their animals, but there are also a lot of very responsible dog owners for whom their dogs are like members of the family, and who wouldn’t dream of shoving their dogs into your face. I also think that keeping children away from all dogs because of your own fear of them will only increase their fear of dogs and that is not necessary imo. It’s good to teach children that they should respect dogs, but generally I agree with twoLabs, teaching children to be afraid of dogs can actually make things worse.

I too have a lab (guide dog) and ironically I also get the opposite, people assume that because she’s a lab and a guide dog (retiring on Friday bless her), it’s ok to run up and stroke her, and that has also included one child who ran up and threw her arms around her in the middle of a shop. So I do think that it’s often the children who don’t know better, as opposed to some dog owners – it’s not always the dog owner who’s at fault.

As for not letting a child play with a certain child because they have a dog, imo that is totally ott, what does that teach your child, it teaches her that dogs are bad, and that certainly isn’t the case with all dogs, the same as not all children are bad. Without my dog I would be lost, quite literally, and I would hate to think that people would potentially not allow their children to play with my ds because I have a dog, who has actually changed my life, and without whom I wouldn’t have the kind of mobility/independence that I do.

Chloe55 · 08/05/2006 16:07

Good post Wannabe.

magnolia1 · 08/05/2006 16:10

Well said wannabe Smile

Will now leave this thread for fear of saying things I shall regret Angry

Serendippity · 08/05/2006 16:19

Nothercules, i've had people tutting at us becasue we have a big dog and saying stupid things like "with a child you should have small dogs", "I bet she's terrified of him poor little mite" (indicating 2 year old dd, who absolutly adores him)
I don't mind people looking worried when they see him coming he is large, but when they comment on him in the negative for his size it makes me very angry.
Also he has been bitten a few times by small dogs who's owners just shrug and say things like "oh yeah he can be a bit grumpy" Er then why do you allow it to play with other dogs then? Angry
Spook is also a puppy, 9 months old and has never, ever attempted to bit or even growl at a human or dog.
I can understand wariness of large dogs and the prtoection instinct of parents and their children, but i strongly believe you should not make assumptions until you have the facts, especialy if you are going to comment.
(He's a Weimaraner btw)

buffythenappyslayer · 08/05/2006 16:30

serendippity,i want your dog!!!!!dh wouldnt let me have one,meanie!!

Serendippity · 08/05/2006 16:34

They are wonderful, so much personality!
I can reccomend a brilliant breeder in Norfolk :)

buffythenappyslayer · 08/05/2006 16:41

id love one but dh wont let me!Sad we have a japanese akita and hes only a pup aswell.think hed like a friend though!!!will have to twist dh's arm!!

dionnelorraine · 08/05/2006 16:42

Hi
My dog is 4 years old, A long haired German Shepherd he is a lot larger than a normal gsd. He is very tall and broad with a HUGE head (not much inside it though!) He is amazing, so soft, gentle, playful and he loves his kisses and cuddles. He loves other dogs and children and can be 100% trusted.
My dd is 15 months and adores him, she crawles all over him, pokes him in the eye, squeezes his ears, pulls his teeth and he loves it all! People look at us and kind of 'step away' from him , cross the road or tut! It really bugs me but I just say to them 'big softie' and smile. They cant say much else back.

Serendippity · 08/05/2006 16:45

Definatly twist his arm, it took me a while to come round to wanting a wemaraner i intitialy wanted a golden retreiver, but i'm soo pleased we went for spook. I love Japanese akitas as well btw, though i do consider you certifiably insane for wanting another pup when you already have one, the thought of another one scares me to death right now Grin

Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 08/05/2006 16:46

Sorry but if you think a dog can be 100% trusted you mad as a box of frogs.

I have been a dog owner in the past BTW, but never would I trust them to that extent.

dionnelorraine · 08/05/2006 16:50

Saggar....
I know my dog and Im not mad! How insulting! My child and dog are best friends and I would trust him with anything and anyone! Believe me I know what dogs can be like, Im a veterinary nurse and Ive seen it all. I wouldnt put my child in danger. I have also been a dog owner all my life. I have enough experience to know if my dog can be trusted. Thank you!!

buffythenappyslayer · 08/05/2006 16:52

diesel is so dopey,i love him to bits!weve said in a few years time we'll get another.we had a dalmation a few years ago but had to have him rehomed as he got soooo viscious.wed had him from a pup,and when he was 9 months,he stood with his front paws on the settee and his face inches from mine.he growled and showed me his teeth.i totally crapped my pants!!after that he started going for the kids,so he had to go.i cried for 2 days!never thought id get another dog,let alone anotehr big one..but diesel is my baby!hes so good,never pees inside,never barks,never fusses.he ate a pair of new shoes when we first got him,but thats the only thing hes ever done naughty.dd3 climbs all over him,lifts his lips up to look at his teeth and he just sits there and lets her!hes so good!!

Serendippity · 08/05/2006 16:53

I trust my dog 100% not to bite . Like dionelorriane says, i know my dog.