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cupcakes · 24/04/2006 13:51

This is following on from Moomin's thread about the dog who bit her dd's face.
We have a 6 month old lab and although these are typically known to be good family pets I am aware that any breed can 'turn'. Any advice on training him to be good with children gratefully appreciated (2labs Smile).

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FuglyDuckling · 24/04/2006 14:41

I'd try and find a dog trainer/behavourist near you as they will def know the ins and outs of the canine mind which should help, plus they will know the best way to deal with "childproofing" a dog.

Also, one of the main rules I have with my dog is respect. Why should he remain nice to a child who pulls ears and tails etc? So my rule is the dog is not to be teased. If I catch any children teasing the dog, the children get Time Outted away from the dog.

2labs · 24/04/2006 14:42

Hello cupcakes Grin

Well, confession time, bear in mind that my only child so far is actually minus 4 months old at the moment (do I qualify for mumsnet yet?!), though our house is usually overrun with kids of various ages due to family's/neighbours/friends' offspring coming over... But for what it's worth here are a few things from my experience and my friend who also has a lab and 2 children of her own:

Teach the children as much as you train the dog - e.g. with a puppy that jumps up and nips at clothing, tell the kids to stand up straight and still with their arms crossed and maybe turn their back on pup, don't give the pup eye contact as what he wants is attention. They need to be really consistent and only give attention when he has 4 paws on the floor - calmly praise when he does. Sometimes if the pup gets too excited around them he will need to be taken out of the room for a 'time out' till he calms down. This way he'll gradually learn that he only gets to stay around the family while he's behaving.

Involve the children in training - I've found they get a big kick out of teaching dogs things - silly tricks as well as basic obedience, and it teaches the dog to respect them. All training to be done positively with rewards (whether toys or treats or just praise). A good book is Pam Dennison's "Complete Idiot's Guide to Positive Dog Training". Clicker training is excellent too - Peggy Tillman's 'Clicking with Your Dog' has plenty of things to teach.

Never leave young children alone with the dog - can be hard to do in daily life but I think really important, as even the nicest child gets curious once in a while and decides to find out how hard they can poke... what happens when I stick this in his ear... etc. The dog needs to be protected from any unpleasant experiences with children.

If ever the dog's worried by anything (shouting/screaming/running/playing etc), whatever you do DON'T reassure him as this will just confirm in his mind that there is something to worry about; he will take a lot of his cues from your mood. Instead keep the lead loose if he's on lead (keeping the lead tight is a big signal that you're anxious), put on a bored/upbeat voice and distract him with something he likes (probably food, being a lab Grin), get him into a sit and to focus on you before giving the treat.

Teach a really solid 'leave' - e.g. leave that kid's ice-cream alone, leave that kid alone completely and come here, leave that dead bird... A good description of how to do it is here: \link{http://www.dragonflyllama.com/%20DOGS/Levels/LevelBehaviours/TL26Zen.html\training website}

She refers to using a clicker, but if you don't have one or want to use one you can use a word like 'yes' instead.

Never allow the children to approach the dog when it's asleep in bed.

Teach the dog that people, including children, coming near his food bowl are not a threat. Don't make the mistake of trying to teach him that you're in charge by taking his food bowl away while he's eating - that only gives the dog a complex and may well cause food guarding. If he shows no signs of food aggression at the moment, drop an extra tasty bit of food in while he's eating - so he learns that good things come from you. Once he's used to you doing that, get the kids to do it too. (Don't do this if he already has issues with food guarding - needs to be done slightly differently).

All these things are just normal training really but I've found them particularly helpful around children as they are all about teaching the dog self-control around little people who are unpredictable and not always very self-controlled themselves.

wannaBe1974 · 24/04/2006 18:27

agree with twoLabs and fd, the children need also to be trained as much as the dog and also the respect thing is crutial. I simply do not tolerate children pulling tails/ears/sitting on dogs etc, it annoys me tremendously when I hear people talk about how their children ride on their dog or pull themselves up on its furr etc. My DS pulled my dog's ears once and was sent to time out and had his puzzles confiscated for 3 days as a result. Harsh punnishment maybe, but he never did it again. My dog has a basket in the corner of our diningroom and DS is not allowed to go near it when she's in there, that basket is her space (well when the cat isn't sleeping in it and the dog's too much of a wimp to throw her out), and is where she can go to get away from everyone if she so chooses.

good luck

cupcakes · 26/04/2006 10:48

thanks for your posts everyone. I think we're doing ok generally. My main concern is when other children come to play because I know they don't treat him with respect. I have to lock him away and even then I have to stay near him to make sure they don't poke things through the (stair) gate at him.

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Blackduck · 26/04/2006 10:56

I think the respect thing is important - ds is having to learn that the hound is NOT a toy to be pulled around and teased. If he teases him with food we take the food off ds and give it to the hound......

Gizmo · 26/04/2006 11:06

It amazes me how little is done in this country to educate children about safety around dogs, tbh. The americans have a much more proactive attitude to teaching kids how to deal with dogs safely (the AKC promote dog ambassadors to schools, for example) and I think they're right.

Of course, it's all of a piece with the attitude that leaves the majority of dogs in the UK untrained: at least that seems to be changing, so hopefully the UK Kennel Club might cotton on to the idea that it could be helpful to promote a basic 'green cross code' for dogs.

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