Am I allowed to share this? Petition to decriminalize non crime hate incidents

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Linky https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701051

Not that I think we need more hate in the world, but the logging of non crime hate incidents by police has been used to harass those who have tried to speak out on the gender issue and similar.

(a) I think you have to put petitions in the petitions area - ask this to be moved there?
(b) I read the petition and I don't understand what they are asking for, so I won't sign it. I have no idea what a "non-crime" hate incident is. Who decides it is not a crime, because hate speech is a crime, and I certainly don't want to see it decriminalised. There is no nuance, no definition, and therefore no clarity.

Thanks for sharing, OP. Happy to sign. I find it mind-boggling that it is possible to get a police record without any kind of investigation, prosecution or court case and without you even knowing about it until you unexpectedly fail security checks for a new job.
And purely on the basis of any person putting in a report onto an online portal.
It is insane.

These are not the same as hate speech, which is rightly a criminal offense.
These were meant to be used as a method of tracking rises in hate and extremism, but because there is absolutely no oversight and does not require any kind of crime to be involved, means that anyone can report anyone as hateful and have it recorded against their name without any kind of investigation. It is not only hugely open to abuse,but has been abused.
For example, one recorded against Amber Rudd for making a speech to conference
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/13/non-crime-hate-incident-amber-rudd-harry-miller-police/
The most ridiculous is probably an incident of religious hate recorded against someone joking on twitter that their cat is a methodist:
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-british-twitter-stasi/

(b) I read the petition and I don't understand what they are asking for, so I won't sign it. I have no idea what a "non-crime" hate incident is. Who decides it is not a crime, because hate speech is a crime, and I certainly don't want to see it decriminalised. There is no nuance, no definition, and therefore no clarity.

The petition is asking for non-crime hate incidents to be abolished. As the name suggests NCHIs are not crimes they are a mechanism for recording incidents that might be perceived by an individual as being hateful. They do not reach the threshold for a conviction. There is plenty of information out there on how they are used to suppress speech. Especially relevant to feminism because they are used to suppress the speech of feminists who want to talk about the sex-based rights of women and girls. (See also the Harry Miller case)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/non-crime-hate-incidents-code-of-practice/non-crime-hate-incidents-code-of-practice-on-the-recording-and-retention-of-personal-data-accessible

I read the petition and I don't understand what they are asking for, so I won't sign it. I have no idea what a "non-crime" hate incident is. Who decides it is not a crime, because hate speech is a crime, and I certainly don't want to see it decriminalised. There is no nuance, no definition, and therefore no clarity.

There is a lot of background to this, which of you aren't aware of the petition might be a bit of a head scratcher. But this is about non crime hate incidents, so things that don't meet a criminal threshold but are recorded against individuals without any investigation or recourse to challenge

@EmmaMaria non-crime hate incident is a standard term used by the police so it's understandable the petition doesn't define it. They have been extensively discussed in Parliament on several occassions.

The problem is that anyone can say 'I'm offended' or 'I think other people would be offended' and have the incident logged with no independent investigation, no trial, no opportunity for the person accused to respond - indeed they often aren't even told the accusation has been made or recorded. And it then shows up on DBS checks.

PP have explained what a non-crime hate incident is, but it's also worth pointing out that hate speech isn't a crime, at least not in England and Wales.

I have no idea what a "non-crime" hate incident is.
That's the problem, nobody does. It's not a proper process. It's one step up from, "Miss, Miss. Johnny just called me a Poo-Head."

I'm not keen on the wording of the petition. I think it assumes too much prior knowledge and doesn't explain the problems enough.
Who is Matthew Walton?

Waste of time, we will have to wait until we get rid of this awful govt before we can get rid of nchis as they are very much driven by "human rights" lawyers like Starmer. Unfortunately the tories signed up to this shit too.