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To ask you to sign this petition to stop SUVs being driven on a standard car licence?

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dontbenastyhaveapasty · 06/07/2023 20:50

I saw this petition, and it seems like a good idea to me.

What happened at the school in Wimbledon today is too horrible to ever let it happen again. The sheer size and weight of SUVs makes them deadly to anyone they hit. And they’re totally unnecessary for 90% of their users.

Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/640774/sponsors/new?token=yeP8ehx43vxfZNaYPaLi

My petition:
Ban SUVs from the list of vehicles that can be driven on a standard car licence

SUVs are unnecessarily dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists. Their size, weight and bonnet design result in death or serious injury that would not be caused by a similar collision in a car. The law around their categorisation needs to be revised to restrict SUV use.

Following the appalling tragedy at a school in Wimbledon, the danger SUVs pose to children has again been highlighted. Large heavy vehicles with high square bonnets are too dangerous to be a standard domestic vehicle type. Please legislate to prevent their use as a conventional domestic car. This could be by revising licence categories so SUV is a separate class, or by changing the law on vehicle design to outlaw “cars” with high or square bonnets or over a certain weight.

Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/640774/sponsors/new?token=yeP8ehx43vxfZNaYPaLi

Petition: Ban SUVs from the list of vehicles that can be driven on a standard car licence

SUVs are unnecessarily dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists. Their size, weight and bonnet design result in death or serious injury that would not be caused by a similar collision in a car. The law around their categorisation needs to be revised to re...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/640774/sponsors/new?token=yeP8ehx43vxfZNaYPaLi

OP posts:
Simonjt · 08/07/2023 06:20

massiveclamps · 07/07/2023 15:57

16 year olds can drive tractors, but not on public roads.

Yes they can, you sit your tractor test at 16.

Coffeaddict · 08/07/2023 06:23

GoodChat · 06/07/2023 21:37

Only if you passed pre-2014 (I think, might be earlier) but I passed in 2014 and can't drive anything bigger than a small van on my licence

You can drive up to a 3.5 tonne vehicle on a b lisence so the standard ones issued even since the cahnge in lisence. This would include a long wheel base transit Transits are classed as small vans you can't drive something like a Luton van.

having said that even a short wheel base van can cause significant damage.
Also if I ploughed into a school in my ford fiesta I would cause significant damage so I don't think this law would be of any use. I would say sports cars are probably more dangerous then SUVs

Simonjt · 08/07/2023 06:24

massiveclamps · 07/07/2023 17:51

So are there really endless streams of 16 year-olds driving tractors willy-nilly all across the country? Or just from farm gate to field gate a few hundred yards away at about 15 miles an hour? On country roads. Where one might expect to find tractors going about their useful and necessary purpose.

I grew up in a rural part of nottinghamshire, they were used for school transport, seeing mates etc, regularly drive through towns and cities, all by my 16 year old year 11 friends.

somewhereovertherain · 08/07/2023 06:33

GoodChat · 06/07/2023 21:37

Only if you passed pre-2014 (I think, might be earlier) but I passed in 2014 and can't drive anything bigger than a small van on my licence

standard licence. Can still drive 3.5 ton

old licence can drive 7.5ton

this petition is ridiculous.

somewhereovertherain · 08/07/2023 06:38

massiveclamps · 07/07/2023 15:57

16 year olds can drive tractors, but not on public roads.

If you move to the Isle of Man 16 year olds can drive cars.

GoodChat · 08/07/2023 06:39

Ah so you can @Coffeaddict! Weirdly my license doesn't show that on the back!

badluckorbadvibes · 08/07/2023 08:36

16 year olds can drive cars too if they get PIP high rate mobility

OdeToBarney · 08/07/2023 08:53

GoodChat · 08/07/2023 06:12

Well you can't drive any of those on a standard license anymore to be fair

I can drive anything upto 3.5 tonnes. Those with older licences, upto 7.5 tonnes.

XelaM · 08/07/2023 09:35

OdeToBarney · 08/07/2023 08:53

I can drive anything upto 3.5 tonnes. Those with older licences, upto 7.5 tonnes.

Yep, I can drive a 3.5 tonnes horse lorry on my ordinary licence.

ASZ · 20/09/2023 21:27

TOTALLY AGREE
Only the incredibly stupid drive these ridiculous vehicles
To see them in UK cities & villages has to be the embarrassing display of stupidity ever seen in my life
Should be a Stupidity Tax on the peopppe who drive these things
More often than not a single person driving them
Bam them all and fine the people who derail villages and wreck them for everyone

SoupDragon · 20/09/2023 23:39

ASZ · 20/09/2023 21:27

TOTALLY AGREE
Only the incredibly stupid drive these ridiculous vehicles
To see them in UK cities & villages has to be the embarrassing display of stupidity ever seen in my life
Should be a Stupidity Tax on the peopppe who drive these things
More often than not a single person driving them
Bam them all and fine the people who derail villages and wreck them for everyone

How do you derail a village?

ASZ · 21/09/2023 08:03

If this is a serious question (how does one derail a village?)...

A village is (er, obviously) derailed when vehicular traffic involving huge SUV's/4X4's takes up so much of a narrow road designed for horses and carts netting a constant bottleneck of cars pushed onto the also very narrow pavements making it dangerous at best and impossibly so at worst with every house on that road exponentially polluted therein: smaller cars are bumped out of the road onto pavements by the larger vehicles (road bullies/hogs as we call them round here) and pedestrians terrified or at best, stunned by the MO.

While this bullying by people in larger vehicles is now a given with drivers of these trucks - the pedestrians also suffer because they are rammed against the buildings often stood there mouths agape and obviously the more elderly pedestrians also look extremely alarmed. Younger kids also present a greater challenge for their guardians/parents because they're also expecting the pavement to be for them, not vehicles. Van drivers and lorries also use the village I am referencing here but tend not to shove and bully in quite the same way as a general rule.

So - every time one drives through the village of Alfriston - my example here - the journey is exponentially increased, cars rammed up against pedestrians while the bizarrely constant stream of 4x4's/SUV's bully their way through the tiny streets; pollution must have increased 10 fold at least these last few years, tourism, presumably decreased as it's so horrible to experience this in what is one of the UK's archetypal villages that litter the countryside, and aside from the shops I dread to think how the residents living on that particular one road through the village feel. Furious and mental health challenged too I would posit. Shop keepers say the village is restored to some sort of normality around 6.00pm when shops are shut.

It's a great example of why a ban should have been in place the moment the greedsters who sell these monstrosities started marketing them. 5 minutes there will evidence the above.

Of course if you don't live there, one is afforded a comedic component because even when you're caught up in this - the ludicrous aspect of it ie the brainlessness in evidence in the drivers shoving the village into disarray is in evidence. Not to mention the ugliness of these huge things dominating the roads and the dangers they incur when parking which is also incredibly selfish more often than not blocking views and causing neck/back strain for drivers trying to see around them.

Googling 'are the British stupid' comes naturally on the back of this spectacle of bullying (which further consolidates the comedic aspect as we clearly are deemed to be by quite a few countries out there that don't exhibit this kind of 'I'm better than you because I'm bigger than you' frankly bizarre - display). It's the kids too I feel sorry for who end up sitting in these watching this attitude every time a smaller car is shoved or threatened to be shoved.

European countries eg France and Switzerland - where we have family ie see what goes on - don't conduct themselves in this peculiar fashion with their equivalents...But yes, more than villages are derailed I would say including dreadful modelling of behaviour for future generations as well as wreckage of the local air quality as well as the planet at large of course...

online6549 · 21/09/2023 08:07

I agree OP. The size and weight of these cars clearly makes them more dangerous in a collision. And the popularity of these cars shows you that the middle classes clearly don’t really give a crap about climate change. Most people don’t need a car this size. It’s all about status and fashion.

akkakk · 21/09/2023 08:39

Of course the logic of what you say must agree with reality that all SUVs are bigger…

oops hold on, what is this? Loads of cars out there that are wider and longer than SUVs - mmmm

SoupDragon · 21/09/2023 11:57

ASZ · 21/09/2023 08:03

If this is a serious question (how does one derail a village?)...

A village is (er, obviously) derailed when vehicular traffic involving huge SUV's/4X4's takes up so much of a narrow road designed for horses and carts netting a constant bottleneck of cars pushed onto the also very narrow pavements making it dangerous at best and impossibly so at worst with every house on that road exponentially polluted therein: smaller cars are bumped out of the road onto pavements by the larger vehicles (road bullies/hogs as we call them round here) and pedestrians terrified or at best, stunned by the MO.

While this bullying by people in larger vehicles is now a given with drivers of these trucks - the pedestrians also suffer because they are rammed against the buildings often stood there mouths agape and obviously the more elderly pedestrians also look extremely alarmed. Younger kids also present a greater challenge for their guardians/parents because they're also expecting the pavement to be for them, not vehicles. Van drivers and lorries also use the village I am referencing here but tend not to shove and bully in quite the same way as a general rule.

So - every time one drives through the village of Alfriston - my example here - the journey is exponentially increased, cars rammed up against pedestrians while the bizarrely constant stream of 4x4's/SUV's bully their way through the tiny streets; pollution must have increased 10 fold at least these last few years, tourism, presumably decreased as it's so horrible to experience this in what is one of the UK's archetypal villages that litter the countryside, and aside from the shops I dread to think how the residents living on that particular one road through the village feel. Furious and mental health challenged too I would posit. Shop keepers say the village is restored to some sort of normality around 6.00pm when shops are shut.

It's a great example of why a ban should have been in place the moment the greedsters who sell these monstrosities started marketing them. 5 minutes there will evidence the above.

Of course if you don't live there, one is afforded a comedic component because even when you're caught up in this - the ludicrous aspect of it ie the brainlessness in evidence in the drivers shoving the village into disarray is in evidence. Not to mention the ugliness of these huge things dominating the roads and the dangers they incur when parking which is also incredibly selfish more often than not blocking views and causing neck/back strain for drivers trying to see around them.

Googling 'are the British stupid' comes naturally on the back of this spectacle of bullying (which further consolidates the comedic aspect as we clearly are deemed to be by quite a few countries out there that don't exhibit this kind of 'I'm better than you because I'm bigger than you' frankly bizarre - display). It's the kids too I feel sorry for who end up sitting in these watching this attitude every time a smaller car is shoved or threatened to be shoved.

European countries eg France and Switzerland - where we have family ie see what goes on - don't conduct themselves in this peculiar fashion with their equivalents...But yes, more than villages are derailed I would say including dreadful modelling of behaviour for future generations as well as wreckage of the local air quality as well as the planet at large of course...

Edited

Yeah, that isn't what "derailed" means.

SoupDragon · 21/09/2023 12:00

every time one drives through the village of Alfriston

They should have kept the one way system they trialled a few years back.

FoodFann · 21/09/2023 12:31

Utterly ridiculous petition. It’s a car.

TarquinOliverNimrod · 24/09/2023 14:22

ASZ · 20/09/2023 21:27

TOTALLY AGREE
Only the incredibly stupid drive these ridiculous vehicles
To see them in UK cities & villages has to be the embarrassing display of stupidity ever seen in my life
Should be a Stupidity Tax on the peopppe who drive these things
More often than not a single person driving them
Bam them all and fine the people who derail villages and wreck them for everyone

😂

Ladyj84 · 24/09/2023 14:27

Nope it's not the vehicle it's the driver and other times it can be the person hit in the wrong. Majority of hits are normal cars. Won't work where we live there's tons of suvs need them countryside and terrible winters

Lemsipper · 24/09/2023 14:29

Stop being silly OP were not all happy with a rubbish little nissan

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