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Petition to stop Tier 4 schools opening.

88 replies

LastChristmas20 · 28/12/2020 22:37

If you feel the same as me and are worried about the children spreading this new strain.

Please sign.

petition.parliament.uk/signatures/100564226/signed

OP posts:
CakeQueen87 · 29/12/2020 08:44

@LastChristmas20

"Yes. Of course I do - why else would I care?"

Take your own children out of school and isolate yourself then. Stop trying to deprive mine of their education

bodgeitandscarper · 29/12/2020 08:51

You need teachers to give an education. There will be far fewer available with the current levels of transmission. Ploughing on regardless is completely foolish and likely to be more damaging long term. My C V daughter teaches, I will be encouraging her to change profession.

DoubleTweenQueen · 29/12/2020 09:10

@ConiferGate I would say, the best thing to do would be to prepare. The molecular virology/stats/morbidity & mortality rates jury are still deliberating, and it's very interesting to follow - however, I don't feel that closing schools is the answer. Infection management in schools is. Test/track/trace/isolate has always been the key in my view. It lies with the Gvmnt to make it happen. The current system seems to be mainly for data gathering, as far as o can see - not actually direct infection management, as far as can see.

DoubleTweenQueen · 29/12/2020 09:11

Apologies for repeating myself!

ConiferGate · 29/12/2020 09:14

@DoubleTweenQueen

Test/track/trace/isolate has always been the key in my view. It lies with the Gvmnt to make it happen. The current system seems to be mainly for data gathering, as far as o can see - not actually direct infection management, as far as can see

I’d v much agree with that, you’ve hit the nail on the head. That and the fact that so many people are paying v little attention to the rules.

DoubleTweenQueen · 29/12/2020 09:18

Yes - every individual can make a significant difference. We can't close schools until the population is immunised.

cariadlet · 29/12/2020 09:19

I live in a tier 4 town and teach primary in the same town. Dd goes to 6th form college in the next town which is also tier 4. Both towns had very low level of infections in the first wave but were in the first lot of towns to be put into tier 4 just before Christmas because our infection rate is rising so dramatically.

I won't be signing.

For the last few weeks of term, dd's college had split students into 2 groups and they alternated which students were in college and which students accessed those lessons at home via live links. I would really like them to carry that on next term and to be much stricter about students wearing masks in college.

During the first lockdown, those children at my school (key workers' children and vulnerable children) really benefited fron the smaller classes and lack of pressure. But it had an adverse affect for many of those at home.

The longer the lockdown went on, the harder parents found it to motivate their children to complete the home learning tasks that we were giving them. I have a couple of SEN children in my class who struggle to retain skills and concepts that are constantly reteaching and re-enforcing at school. They fell back massively during lockdown.

Other children really enjoyed the extra family time but massively missed their friends. Some of the only children in my class found this particularly difficult.

I really don't want primary schools to close again. But they are a transmission risk so to keep them open, the government needs to be much stricter about what else can stay open. The definition of essential shops really needs tightening up eg my local Poundland is open, presumably because it sells some food but it's hardly essential.

cariadlet · 29/12/2020 09:22

Just to add, to keep primary schools open safely, parents need to take social distancing a lot more seriously, especially at drop off and pick up.

We have staggered times, separate areas for each class to keep bubbles apart etc but whatever we do , we just can't keep the bloody parents away from each other.

Redrunbluerun · 29/12/2020 09:26

What about kids social development, their mental health? What shout vulnerable kids, those who are abused or have one mobile phone between 5 to learn on.
What about parents who need to earn money to pay bills who can’t home school?
They’re testing kids around here and have a staggered start, happy with that mitigation.
The vast majority of people who die from this illness are over 80 ( look at the stats).
Children keep being neglected in this debate and it pisses me off.

MrsMomoa · 29/12/2020 09:26

Not signing.
It is a breach of their Human Rights.

DoubleTweenQueen · 29/12/2020 09:28

@cariadlet - you need someone with a megaphone!!
There was such a Christmas shopping crush these past few weeks - and the boxing day sales won't help. Some people are not allowing distancing or sanitising their hands regularly. Individual behaviour is so important.

bodgeitandscarper · 29/12/2020 09:34

Do you think more services being disrupted and teachers/social workers etc being affected by covid will help these children? Add in the collapse of health services and we truly will be in the shit. Close schools now, use them as mass vaccination sites and get education back safely in a few weeks seems the logical way forwards. It would be good to see these children supported when it isn't just about school closures too. I've never seen so many concerned posters, these children have always been with us, let's hope they aren forgotten after the pandemic is over.

Cheesecake53 · 29/12/2020 09:41

Signed, thank you, OP, for making me aware of this. We are in Tier 4 and have children in school.

mrsm43s · 29/12/2020 09:53

Everyone across the country has the choice to not send their child to school if they genuinely believe they would be happier and safer at home. The only stipulation is that you deregister, so that you are not blocking a school space and taking it away from another child who desperately wants and needs it. You already have you choice available to you. Stop trying to take the choice away from those who want and need to send their children to school.

ConiferGate · 29/12/2020 10:12

Stop trying to take the choice away from those who want and need to send their children to school

Since everyone is being so dramatic - maybe you should stop trying to take the choice of protecting health away from kids, families and staff who want and need to stay well to give themselves and their kids a decent future. By saying what you are, you’re suggesting it’s ok to make your choice other people’s problem, but they’ve no right to expect the same.

Deregistering kids is an utterly ridiculous suggestion. An utter failure of government, leadership and management if you have to choose between life and school.

People are dying. More people will die with schools open in January. How many deaths is too many?

It’s little wonder this country has some of the worst rates of death and disease in the world. People cannot think beyond themselves. Children are not being forgotten in this. 4 weeks of home schooling is not going to be the end of the world. It’s far better than the inevitable and unequal disruption that will happen with in and out closures, sickness, quarantine and isolation and the added deaths, sickness and economic disruption that comes from getting it wrong.

DoubleTweenQueen · 29/12/2020 10:48

4 weeks of homeschooling is not going to solve the underlying issue

Branleuse · 29/12/2020 10:51

I dont think I can cope if the schools close again. Please dont. Schools have handled this really well. Only the odd case, quickly contained

inquietant · 29/12/2020 10:53

@mrsm43s

Everyone across the country has the choice to not send their child to school if they genuinely believe they would be happier and safer at home. The only stipulation is that you deregister, so that you are not blocking a school space and taking it away from another child who desperately wants and needs it. You already have you choice available to you. Stop trying to take the choice away from those who want and need to send their children to school.
This is a very shit 'choice', of course most people won't take it. Do try to be sensible.
inquietant · 29/12/2020 10:55

@DoubleTweenQueen

4 weeks of homeschooling is not going to solve the underlying issue
The issue it will solve though is even higher deaths in late Jan/early Feb, with potential shutdown of the health system.

The underlying issue might have to wait.

TheChineseChicken · 29/12/2020 10:55

NO. We’re tier 4, our child’s primary school has single class bubbles, separate entrance for each class. Covid cases can be easily isolated and managed without spreading through the whole school - and to date there have been none. Absolutely no reason for the school to close

inquietant · 29/12/2020 10:57

@TheChineseChicken that is how a vast number of schools were before the new strain got hold. The new strain has changed things.

Parents must try to be sensible.

newnamenancy · 29/12/2020 10:58

I won't be signing.

Tier 4 here, not one case at my DCs schools. Obviously if it spreads in the school they'll be homeschooling anyway when bubbles burst, but I'd like them open until that happens/if it does

My DD's teacher has said that some of the children in the class are struggling still to catch up on what they lost over the last lockdown. These are children with pretty engaged parents and the school provided excellent home schooling materials. I dread to think of the impact on less fortunate children.

I would like to see teachers bumped up the vaccine priority list. And I think that if anyone does want to deregister from the state system they should be able to. No one should be fined in this scenario. But those school places can't be held, other children should be able to take them.

inquietant · 29/12/2020 11:02

And I think that if anyone does want to deregister from the state system they should be able to. No one should be fined in this scenario. But those school places can't be held, other children should be able to take them. This makes no sense, if there were no fines, no one would need to deregister.

Those who want schools open would be wiser to support the right of others to not attend just now - as that would stop many calling for closures.

I will NOT deregister my child - two fingers to anyone telling me to do that - so my only option is to call for closures.

SnowGnome · 29/12/2020 11:02

If teachers should be vaccinated, why shouldn’t children or parents? It’s completely missing the point of why we are talking about school closures.

Teachers are a small minority of the school population. The risk is Covid being spread among households, not just staff households, members of whom will suffer a severe illness or worse.

calamityjam · 29/12/2020 11:02

All this has been happening for months up here in Manchester some of our dcs have had close to 0 education since March but will still be expected to sit the same exams as kids in tier one and two areas. Nobody gave a shit then. Now our rates are lower so I will be extremely pissed off if they close our schools now. So no. Away with your selfish petition