Petition No prosecution for parents that remove child from school during a pandemic.

[herecomesthsun]

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300399

This has over 92,000 signatures. There has been a response in April, however at 100,000 signatures it will be considered for debate in Parliament.

Prosecution was of course not applicable during lockdown.

If you feel "not more about schools", or you don't agree, then of course you wouldn't need to sign up. I think however it would be a very good thing to have a parliamentary debate about this, the number of threads would suggest a lot of general interest!

Oh my goodness me not another bloody thread

If you don't want your kids in school deregister them

You've always been allowed to

However it is not reasonable in the slightest to keep your places open whilst you fanny about in your own sweet time deciding what to do, when there are other people who would like your place.

Keep them in, take them out but if you think you deserve special treatment for this one virus amongst the many many many that could harm your kids, you're delusional.

Is there no way mumsnet can create an area for these inane thread?

Thank you for your opinion. Have a nice day

That's quite a pleasure

If you post the same thread that's been posted a million times on an open forum ...you'll get an opinion

I’ve signed it. My dd has expressed concerns about going back.

And have just seen today, that a report has come out saying secondary pupils spread it as much as adults.

This is an active petition that can trigger a debate in parliament. It has 92% votes already needed to get it there. This is a parenting website with a lot of traffic and people concerned about this particular issue.

It is worth putting this out there for those of us for whom this is important.

You really really don't need to click on the thread if that isn't you.

Take care (and stay safe)

(and that last post was for Ophelia)

I don’t think this is the way to go. It’s too disruptive and unfair on schools.

However I think they should have provision for those who want to deregister for year - with their school place held - so long as they meet the criteria that’s currently in place for homeschooling.

I agree with Orphelia on this actually - why can't people deregister? Seems like you already have a perfectly reasonable solution?

Presumably if you deregister you lose your place?

I think they should wave that temporarily for a year, so the place is kept.

However if you do it, you commit to homeschooling for the year and you understand that you don’t get support/materials from the school during that time, it’s up to you.

I think that would also be fine. But we need to have a discussion about it, that doesn't involve ministers pretending that transmission doesn't take place in secondary.

If kids go back, we need arrangements that respect the biology of transmission, so young people aren't for example forced to take school buses that cram them in and have no reasonable alternative to get to school.

Stay Safe. Respect Basic Scientific Principles?

The thing that concerns me, is how I would be expected to ensure that children who have all missed various amounts of time all recieved the adequate support to fill the gaps in their knowledge to ensure they aren't disadvantaged. That's already going to be a real challenge, made impossible by a full time return of some and others dipping in and out. Also I hope people wouldn't be expecting any support at home, and are happy to provide, deliver, feedback their own learning. I do worry that this would be abused by some as just an excuse not to bother sending their child in, the fairest way is to deregister to be honest.

Unfortunately making school optional does nothing to address the very real risk to vulnerable children whose parents would rather they didn't have every day contact with teachers. So I don't think they will backtrack on this issue as to do so would be to completely fail many children. Education is a necessity, not a nice to have when everything else is hunky dory. If you feel its too risky yourself then you'll have to deregister but don't expect hundreds of thousands to be put at risk so you don't risk losing your school place.

Why don’t I deregister? Because if I lose my place and then get a place at a different schools that would be five miles away and my disability stops me being able to drive.

I still haven’t decided one way or the other but the way people dictate to others that they must deregister when this has no bearing on their life whatsoever is quite frankly disappointing.

If I did decide not to send vulnerable dc I wouldn’t mess about I’d commit to homeschooling for the year. Dc actually thrives during homeschooling but it’s not a life I’d want for dc for whole school life for all the reasons people want their kids back now.

If even a small number did this and were allowed to die the year if the school knows that parent is capable of teaching well...

Theres be less kids in class and more distancing. Everyone’s child would be safer.

I've signed it OP. Studies are showing secondary school students spread it more than primary but they're the ones mixing in more classes and on public transport.

A choice between a fine and losing a school place isn't a choice.

If there were actual safety measures in place I'd be more relaxed about sending my child in. Staggered starts, actual class bubbles like primary, part time face to face learning maybe. Instead they get extra handwashing even though the school doesn't have the facilities and different entrances for different year groups even though they'll be paired with another group for lunch time anyway.

I still haven’t decided one way or the other but the way people dictate to others that they must deregister when this has no bearing on their life whatsoever is quite frankly disappointing.

But it does. For someone who remains registered but misses chunks of school, it does affect teachers, and also their classmates when attention and time is diverted to playing catch up with some. If someone deregisters and then reregisters, there isn't the risk of them just dipping in and out as they please, and quite frankly the school doesn't have responsibility for them during that time.

@Tfoot75

Unfortunately making school optional does nothing to address the very real risk to vulnerable children whose parents would rather they didn't have every day contact with teachers. So I don't think they will backtrack on this issue as to do so would be to completely fail many children. Education is a necessity, not a nice to have when everything else is hunky dory. If you feel its too risky yourself then you'll have to deregister but don't expect hundreds of thousands to be put at risk so you don't risk losing your school place.

I do think it is really confusing (at least semantically) that we are discussing children who are vulnerable (because open to social services etc) and children and families who are a) clinically vulnerable and b) extremely clinically vulnerable.

However
-it could be decided that children who have a formal Child Protection Plan need to come IN

• if there is a health issue around vulnerability then they could choose to home school for a given period (maybe this term for starters)
• if they have both (a smaller number) then social services could review the individual case and make a plan?

Just a suggestion.

@Choochoose

I still haven’t decided one way or the other but the way people dictate to others that they must deregister when this has no bearing on their life whatsoever is quite frankly disappointing.

But it does. For someone who remains registered but misses chunks of school, it does affect teachers, and also their classmates when attention and time is diverted to playing catch up with some. If someone deregisters and then reregisters, there isn't the risk of them just dipping in and out as they please, and quite frankly the school doesn't have responsibility for them during that time.

But people getting ill will also be disruptive. Forcing clinically vulnerable kids back to school is inhumane. Fewer children in school could be positively helpful in some ways(as discussed in some of the other many threads)

Welsh schools aren't issuing fines

I've signed. My mum has a terminal lung condition and we have been shielding. My dd is terrified that she will pass it to my mum and kill her. I'm not happy that returning to a 35sqm classroom with 32 children and two adults is the only option. The school 'bubbles' are nonsense as the majority of the 64 children in her year have siblings in other years. Not only that, but most have blended families meaning two sets of parents as well as up to eight sets of grandparents.
Allowances need to be made for those who are clinically vulnerable and/or with vulnerable people in their families.

@herecomesthsun

(and that last post was for Ophelia)

No, I can click on something and I can comment because I disagree and think you're being unreasonable and selfish. Sorry. You can post it and I'm allowed to click on it and comment and opposing view.

We have always taken education seriously. School is important and DS's attendance has always been good.

He has missed school and is looking forward to going back. DH however has been shielding and if we decide at any point the risk is too great we will be keeping DS at home. After all, didn't Dominic himself state that all loving parents make the right choices for their families?

Oh my goodness me not another bloody thread If you don't want your kids in school deregister them
This.
How pointless to have endless petitions.
Hide under a duvet if you like, but the rest of world will keep turning.

Had a convo yesterday with a friend who is considering deregistring her child, not because she is scared of the virus but because of the endless fussing in schools and some teachers spreading gloom and fear completely unnecessarily. They have decided to do various projects and skills rather than attempt ersatz 'academic' work. Her DD is 9 so would be a good opportunity to productively step away from the madness.

But people getting ill will also be disruptive. Forcing clinically vulnerable kids back to school is inhumane. Fewer children in school could be positively helpful in some ways(as discussed in some of the other many threads)

Of course it will, but we will still be dealing with that on top of this. I agree that there should be allowances for those actually medically vulnerable, but there will also be plenty who are doing it for other reasons. Namely those who dont have anyone medically vulnerable at home, but are still worried about catching it, and think that to be more of a risk than their childs education being further disrupted.