Petitions and activism
Petition for ending the lockdown by the 9th of May
LimitIsUp · 24/04/2020 17:11
Here it is ^^
Interestingly Germany sadly lost 25,000 people to a different respiratory virus in 2017/2018 - the worst flu they had experienced in 30 years: thegermanyeye.com/flu-vaccination-penultimate-wave-was-deadliest-in-30-years-3748
It didn't involve a whole population level lockdown .....
PestymcPestFace · 24/04/2020 17:12
Poppet, this isn't flu.
Your right to die is fine BUT your right to infect others is not OK
fluffdeloop · 24/04/2020 17:17
"The lockdown has worked and the deaths are decreasing day by day - now is the time to return to normality."
written by an idiot who has no concept of how this works
LimitIsUp · 24/04/2020 17:20
Oh lord! . I know it isn't flu. I cited the German flu epidemic because its an analogous case as a different respiratory illness which can be deadly. As you can see the 2017/2018 epidemic killed 25,000. Hardly just a snuffly nose - yet no lockdown for an entire population. I'm not sure how it is hard to see the relevance?
I believe Covid 19 is sadly around 19,000 currently (although all deaths even with multiple causation are counted as Covid if the deceased happened to have covid)
But thanks for contributing to the thread and keeping it in active conversations
titchy · 24/04/2020 17:20
The lockdown has worked and the deaths are decreasing day by day - now is the time to return to normality.
Lol. OP, end lockdown early and deaths just start to increase again.
Some of the comments are worth reading though. I liked 'Alice Wilde's' complete with capitals and inverted commas: INFECTIOUS 'VIRUSES' DO NOT EXIST.
LimitIsUp · 24/04/2020 17:21
I think you might be Shirley - incapable of critical or independent though.
Madvixen · 24/04/2020 17:26
Take a look at Singapore if you want to see what happens when lockdown is lifted early.
Cantata · 24/04/2020 17:26
What, pray, qualifies you to describe the people who might sign this as "thick", @ShirleyPhallus?
1066vegan · 24/04/2020 17:28
It seems ridiculous to demand the lockdown end at a date in the future when no-one knows what the situation will be then. I'd rather wait until the government conditions are met.
I won't be signing.
LimitIsUp · 24/04/2020 17:29
I concur that a few of the comments on the petition are a bit odd (e.g. "viruses do not exist") but this was ever thus with every petition, and does not weaken the premise.
Cantata · 24/04/2020 17:33
Yes, there are some odd comments (there always will be), but that's to be expected.
One thing that the very existence of the petition shows is that people are understandably becoming restive. A restive population combined with a lack of clarity from the government is a recipe for people just to break the lockdown in their own ways and with uncontrollable results.
Devlesko · 24/04/2020 17:33
I agree with you OP, as far as your info is concerned.
However, look at who died from the flu during the time the vaccination wasn't appropriate, in 2017/18.
I believe this is more infectious and we'll be looking at about 3 times this many dying from covid 19.
It's not going away in a hurry, why are you so eager for it to end when we haven't even reached the peak yet.
I agree your right to death doesn't mean you should be allowed to kill others with a deadly virus you contract.
I doubt they'll be many signatures, even so, it will be laughed out as a possibility.
tribpot · 24/04/2020 17:33
The flu deaths in Germany were 25,000 spread over 5 months. We have lost 10,000 people in the last 15 days. Perhaps try to have a little respect for families who are grieving and frontline staff who are afraid for their lives?
You linked to the ECDC information on the flu season which includes this report from March 2018 on the effectiveness of vaccines. This is a novel virus with:
- no vaccine
- no data on immunity
- no data on how the virus may mutate over time
- no confirmed data on transmission
If you want to die from this - go right ahead. You don't get to choose for the rest of us.
PrincessConsueIaBananaHammock · 24/04/2020 17:34
It's possible 9th of may is too early, but it should definitely be the date to ease restrictions. I think we're moving towards that way anyways on a social level, and the government will follow .
LimitIsUp · 24/04/2020 17:36
The arguments against continued lockdown have been detailed on many threads, they relate to the significant collateral damage
- people with other significant and serious morbidity suffering potentially fatal delays to treatment, also mental health crises and suicide, together with domestic violence and child abuse etc
- concern about how the NHS will catch up on the huge backlog of elective procedures, outpatient consultations, diagnostic tests etc
- a projected 13% contraction in the economy and huge leap in unemployment down track (and associated human misery)
- a related drop in tax revenue to fund public services
- a legacy of national debt for the next generations
and so on......
LimitIsUp · 24/04/2020 17:47
tribpot - a valid point that the deaths in Germany were over 5 months, however we are dealing with data and thus potential anomalies in data capture here. I have linked an article from a recently retired consultant pathologist which argues that we have to be clear how Covid deaths are counted
Paragraphs 8-10 explain potential over counting of Covid as cause of death
I am not qualified to say that he is right - or indeed wrong, but it appears to be a plausible argument and shouldn't be discounted
LimitIsUp · 24/04/2020 17:52
"A restive population combined with a lack of clarity from the government is a recipe for people just to break the lockdown in their own ways and with uncontrollable results."
I agree with the above wholeheartedly Cantata
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