Petition for ending the lockdown by the 9th of May

[LimitIsUp]

www.change.org/p/uk-prime-minister-end-the-covid-19-lockdown-in-the-uk-by-may-9th

Here it is ^^

Interestingly Germany sadly lost 25,000 people to a different respiratory virus in 2017/2018 - the worst flu they had experienced in 30 years: thegermanyeye.com/flu-vaccination-penultimate-wave-was-deadliest-in-30-years-3748

It didn't involve a whole population level lockdown .....

[PestymcPestFace]

Poppet, this isn't flu.

Your right to die is fine BUT your right to infect others is not OK

[Izzy24]

I won’t be signing this.

[fluffdeloop]

"The lockdown has worked and the deaths are decreasing day by day - now is the time to return to normality."

written by an idiot who has no concept of how this works

[ShirleyPhallus]

Are people really this thick?!

[LimitIsUp]

Oh lord! . I know it isn't flu. I cited the German flu epidemic because its an analogous case as a different respiratory illness which can be deadly. As you can see the 2017/2018 epidemic killed 25,000. Hardly just a snuffly nose - yet no lockdown for an entire population. I'm not sure how it is hard to see the relevance?

I believe Covid 19 is sadly around 19,000 currently (although all deaths even with multiple causation are counted as Covid if the deceased happened to have covid)

But thanks for contributing to the thread and keeping it in active conversations

[TyneTeas]

Do you think a petition to make CV19 go away would work?

[titchy]

The lockdown has worked and the deaths are decreasing day by day - now is the time to return to normality.

Lol. OP, end lockdown early and deaths just start to increase again.

Some of the comments are worth reading though. I liked 'Alice Wilde's' complete with capitals and inverted commas: INFECTIOUS 'VIRUSES' DO NOT EXIST.

[Cantata]

Signed.

[LimitIsUp]

I think you might be Shirley - incapable of critical or independent though.

[LimitIsUp]

thought

[Madvixen]

Take a look at Singapore if you want to see what happens when lockdown is lifted early.

🤦🏼‍♀️

[Cantata]

What, pray, qualifies you to describe the people who might sign this as "thick", @ShirleyPhallus?

[1066vegan]

It seems ridiculous to demand the lockdown end at a date in the future when no-one knows what the situation will be then. I'd rather wait until the government conditions are met.


I won't be signing.

[LimitIsUp]

I concur that a few of the comments on the petition are a bit odd (e.g. "viruses do not exist") but this was ever thus with every petition, and does not weaken the premise.

[Cantata]

Yes, there are some odd comments (there always will be), but that's to be expected.

One thing that the very existence of the petition shows is that people are understandably becoming restive. A restive population combined with a lack of clarity from the government is a recipe for people just to break the lockdown in their own ways and with uncontrollable results.

[Devlesko]

I agree with you OP, as far as your info is concerned.
However, look at who died from the flu during the time the vaccination wasn't appropriate, in 2017/18.
I believe this is more infectious and we'll be looking at about 3 times this many dying from covid 19.
It's not going away in a hurry, why are you so eager for it to end when we haven't even reached the peak yet.

I agree your right to death doesn't mean you should be allowed to kill others with a deadly virus you contract.

I doubt they'll be many signatures, even so, it will be laughed out as a possibility.

[tribpot]

The flu deaths in Germany were 25,000 spread over 5 months. We have lost 10,000 people in the last 15 days. Perhaps try to have a little respect for families who are grieving and frontline staff who are afraid for their lives?

You linked to the ECDC information on the flu season which includes this report from March 2018 on the effectiveness of vaccines. This is a novel virus with:

• no vaccine
• no data on immunity
• no data on how the virus may mutate over time
• no confirmed data on transmission

If you want to die from this - go right ahead. You don't get to choose for the rest of us.

[PrincessConsueIaBananaHammock]

It's possible 9th of may is too early, but it should definitely be the date to ease restrictions. I think we're moving towards that way anyways on a social level, and the government will follow .

[LimitIsUp]

The arguments against continued lockdown have been detailed on many threads, they relate to the significant collateral damage

• people with other significant and serious morbidity suffering potentially fatal delays to treatment, also mental health crises and suicide, together with domestic violence and child abuse etc
• concern about how the NHS will catch up on the huge backlog of elective procedures, outpatient consultations, diagnostic tests etc
• a projected 13% contraction in the economy and huge leap in unemployment down track (and associated human misery)
• a related drop in tax revenue to fund public services
• a legacy of national debt for the next generations

and so on......

[LimitIsUp]

tribpot - a valid point that the deaths in Germany were over 5 months, however we are dealing with data and thus potential anomalies in data capture here. I have linked an article from a recently retired consultant pathologist which argues that we have to be clear how Covid deaths are counted
www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think
Paragraphs 8-10 explain potential over counting of Covid as cause of death
I am not qualified to say that he is right - or indeed wrong, but it appears to be a plausible argument and shouldn't be discounted

[LimitIsUp]

"A restive population combined with a lack of clarity from the government is a recipe for people just to break the lockdown in their own ways and with uncontrollable results."

I agree with the above wholeheartedly Cantata

[PippaPegg]

Signed.