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AIBU to think you should sign this petition to ask the government to consult with women about Self ID?

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MIngerDynasty · 12/03/2018 14:18

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

Your details remain private, I don't want to start yet another trans thread but I thnk we can all agree that there needs to be more discussion with the people affected by the changes in law!

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Eltonjohnssyrup · 13/03/2018 10:45

I’m actually too scared to sign this. I read all the stuff about Millwall football club getting harassed for holding a meeting on the subject and I’m frightened what would happen if TAs got hold of the names.

derxa · 13/03/2018 10:45

Yes, it's D&G...surely they must be GC up there... loads of farmers and they know all about sex! They're too busy lambing their transewe sheep

Eltonjohnssyrup · 13/03/2018 10:46

I mean, surely MPs and their staff could find out who signed, and there is so much going on in Labour I wouldn’t trust them not to leak it.

Somerville · 13/03/2018 10:48

They're too busy lambing their transewe sheep Grin Grin

Beamur · 13/03/2018 10:48

SuitedandBooted
That's a really helpful fact sheet. Excuse my ignorance but who are SAGES? I like to know the provenance of information before I use it.

Melamin · 13/03/2018 10:53

It says you will only receive notifications from the petitions office and only asks name and postcode. I expect they could work it out from there. Not sure what an mp can get.

There was an option to inform your mp but that only took you to the page with all their details on so you could do it yourself.

BiggerBoatNeeded · 13/03/2018 10:56

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Melamin · 13/03/2018 10:56

I am waiting for it to reach 3333

Truscum · 13/03/2018 10:58

I’m searching the grey areas on Facebook.

I’ve only found selling groups for some of them...I wonder if I can offer to sell them the right to democracy for free Grin

Melamin · 13/03/2018 11:06

😁

Datun · 13/03/2018 11:09

Signed.

Like others, I cannot understand even starting from the premise that says women can't talk.

And of course this directly affects women. We are talking about rights specifically designed for women.

Partly because of their biology (maternity leave, breastfeeding protocols etc) but also rights about their privacy and safety.

Women don't require privacy and safety from tigers, or tarantulas.

There are only two cohorts involved in this. Men and women.

As I, for one, am sick to death of the sudden desperation to minimise male violence, because it has acquired a new format.

Men identifying as women don't suddenly stop being men. Either biologically, or in practice.

Of course this isn't about demonising men with gender dysphoria. Who could ever think that?

But we don't segregate on the basis of peoples thoughts.

It would be brilliant if we could.

We segregate on the basis of biology, which results in specific needs, and the irrefutable evidence that one cohort is at risk from the other.

And that risk does not have to be actualised.

The vast majority of the time it's the knowledge of that risk that means women require privacy when they are in a vulnerable or intimate situation.

The fact that this seems to be news to some people, or suddenly requires a whole fresh set of justifications, is astonishing.

We really are going backwards.

It's beyond belief that we are discussing male access to rape refugees. We shouldn't have to have rape refugees. They shouldn't have to even exist.

The reason they do is because the inherent power dynamic between men and women is exploited by men.

Again, and I can't stress this enough, there are only TWO cohorts here.

For the person who thought no-one would take advantage of this. A transwoman in Canada tied up rape refuge for 12 years because they demanded to work there.

Took it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Do you seriously think this person had an ounce of empathy for women? It cost the rape refuge thousands of dollars.

The legal framework allowed a man to do something that most people wouldn't have countenanced.

He was displaying obvious entitlement, misogyny and appalling self obsession. Which should have excluded him instantly.

But the law wasn't able to acknowledge or recognise it.

If you make a law that allows this to happen, it will happen.

cloudtree · 13/03/2018 11:14

I'm a bit disappointed at how slowly the numbers are climbing actually. I thought there would be more uptake. Having said that I shared it with six of my friends this morning via a private WhatsApp group. Complete silence even though I can see they've all read it.

Datun · 13/03/2018 11:14

Sorry, forgot link.

thetyee.ca/News/2007/02/03/Nixon/

NoqontroI · 13/03/2018 11:15

3,317 so far. That's not bad at all. Just need to keep getting it out there.

Melamin · 13/03/2018 11:15

It keeps climbing steadily and is only 1 day old, just about.

MrsOvarall · 13/03/2018 11:21

cloudtree, I think that they're climbing pretty quickly, given that many of us are too scared to be publicly critical of self ID. It might take a while to get the word out there.

We just need a few prominent people to retweet it (Janice Turner, that Spectator journalist, Hadley Freeman etc). The request is for evidence-based debate. So reasonable! It's a really easy one to support.

LoonvanBoon · 13/03/2018 11:22

Signed - thanks OP.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 13/03/2018 11:22

I don't think there is any risk to signing. Especially with GDPR coming in.

IFancyASliceOfCake · 13/03/2018 11:22
brownelephant · 13/03/2018 11:24

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

just putting the link up again for those who only look at the last page of a thread.

& shamelessly stealing the eloquent post from @IFancyASliceOfCake

Men on All Women's Short Lists
Men accessing positive discrimination schemes aimed at women
^Men in women's prisons
Boys at girls schools^
Men on all-female hospital wards
Men competing in women's sports

(Lots of this is already happening).

Its not just about changing rooms and bloody toilets.

Women deserve a say on any change to the law that is going to have far reaching consequences for all women and girls.

NinjagoNinja · 13/03/2018 11:26

I give my full support to this petition but I am worried that it won't work.

I suspect even if we were listened to, all they would do is consult with certain charities who might feel they had to toe the line for their funding.

Or they'd have a public consultation that would reach out to a lot of young women who tend to be pro anything LGBTQ because gender issues are very fashionable. They haven't the life experience to understand the issues.

I also suspect the media wouldn't get behind it. They don't want to be accused of being bigoted and most, apart from The Times possibly, don't care a jot about women.

It's the sort of issue that, sadly, most people don't feel brave enough to challenge publicly.

There will be a "correct" position on this. Like with Brexit, people want to be on the acceptable side of the debate. I fear a lot of people would rather throw women under the bus than be accused of being bigoted.

cloudtree · 13/03/2018 11:27

3333

carryondoctor · 13/03/2018 11:28

Could I ask a question about the petition?

Say it went through to Parliament and they agreed - with whom would they consult? Would a panel be appointed? How and by whom? Would a survey be sent out?

Sorry if this has been asked before.

YesItsADebate · 13/03/2018 11:29

My friend was number 3333. I’m rather proud of that! And her.

MumOfTheMoos · 13/03/2018 11:31

Oh come on Crawley!

Someone sign from there, please!

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